Atheism vs Absence of Faith

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    I've seen several people perform remarkably impressive mental gymnastics to posit that atheism requires faith. That it's not an absense of faith, but rather it's own brand of religious faith.

    If this is true, then what do you call someone with a complete absense of faith in God?

    :eusa_think:
     
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    Deep man...I gotta hang out with mary-jane first :lol:

    Theists who are both well-informed (about the real universe, about human nature, etc.) and honest will generally admit that belief in the existence of a god requires FAITH, that is, the will to believe without insisting upon evidence or rational proof.

    I define "faith" as a certainty and persistence of belief [in the truth of a proposition] that is impervious to evidence and reason. In other words, no amount of evidence and no form of rational argument will shake the believer from continuing to believe. I think that this is how "faith" operates or what "faith" amounts to in the religious setting. It's more than just courageous trust / acceptance of the universe, however it turns out to be. It's also more than hope or confidence or optimism.

    So, according to my own definition of "faith," atheism is usually the absence of faith as well as the absence of a belief in god. Because usually, the atheist gets to the conclusion that gods don't exist as a result of adopting a consistently naturalistic mindset that looks for evidence supporting a proposition before agreeing to believe in that proposition.

    Now me personaly I am what I call a Faithist. I do believe in a power greater than myself that I choose to call God however I do not believe in any of the religions that man has made surrounding a similar faith in a greater power.

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    Smart?
    A true independent thinker?
     
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    Well said.

    And now to go off on a tangent three posts in...


    Clearly you do not believe that Jesus Christ was/is what Christianity claims him to be.

    So what do you think about Jesus Christ? Was he simply a truly pious and moral human being who was misunderstood? Was he an incredibly gifted con-man? Something else?
     
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    1-atheism is a faith about conviction of god absence
    2-theism is a faith about conviction of god existence
    3-agnosticism is not a faith

    unfortunately, the poor z'atheists are unable to proof their doctrine !!!!!!!
     
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    Doctrine? Is a doctrine always a religion?

    I just do not believe in any all powerful supreme being or life after death.

    Prove me wrong.
     
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    You want me to believe a bunch of stories written by a bunch of itenerent shepherds 5000 years ago are the basis for all truth, I will be very polite to you, and try and keep you away from sharp objects.

    But the truth of the matter is, people need to believe in something, and the stories of a particular bunch of itenerate shepherds are less insane and stupid than the majority of stories folks believe in, so I will attach myself, sort of, to that group, by default.

    As Chesterton noted, folks who start out proclaiming to believe in nothing wind up believing anything and everything a great deal worse.
     
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    Chesherton is wrong in my case. Whoever Chesherton is.
     
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    usually religion imply rituals, but it's not a condition.

    deism is also a doctrine and faith :idea:
     
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    You can have "faith", just not in "magical beings from children's fables".
     

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