Atheism...easier path to killing unwanted...

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Yes...atheism makes it easier to practice the killing of..."undesirables"...one of the leaders,in the atheism movement proves it...

Atheist Richard Dawkins: 'Abort' Down's Syndrome Baby, 'Immoral To Bring It Into The World'

Atheist author Richard Dawkins provoked a firestorm Wednesday on Twitter by claiming an unborn baby with Down’s syndrome should be aborted and that it would be “immoral to bring it into the world.”

the various socialist movements in the 20th century in Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia...had this view point as well...
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.
 
I think that great care should be taken with this line of thought. Because on the one hand, it would be wonderful if we could attain a world where no one has to be born with genetic defects or deformities and everyone lives in good health, however the means do not justify the end. I say that because this line of thought can and has lead to the practice of eugenics and while the eugenics of the Nazis was admittedly not all that concerned with creating a world with nothing but healthy people as much as it was with creating a world full of characteristically German people, their's still serves as a cautionary tale of how this train of thought can go wrong.

I am all for a world where people can determine whether or not their children would be born with Downs or Autism and if so they can then chose to adopt instead but I have no desire to go back to the days of tossing babies over the cliff, so to speak.
 
Yes...atheism makes it easier to practice the killing of..."undesirables"...one of the leaders,in the atheism movement proves it...

Atheist Richard Dawkins: 'Abort' Down's Syndrome Baby, 'Immoral To Bring It Into The World'



the various socialist movements in the 20th century in Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia...had this view point as well...

I've worked with special kids. They are not a burden on society that we should abort them. Often times special people interact with their peers and the world in a much more idealistic way. Smiling more, hugging more, laughing more. Without them, would we aspire to be more like them ourselves? And when they don't, and require more assistance it allows us to demonstrate compassion.

A society can be accurately judged by how they care for those who need it the most be it the eldery, the young, or those we developmental differences. It's not their fault they're born with differences, it's not their parents fault, it's no one's fault. Instead of thinking of it as a liability, think of it as an asset and opportunity. A chance to be nice to someone who'll return it many fold making you feel just as nice.
 
I think that great care should be taken with this line of thought. Because on the one hand, it would be wonderful if we could attain a world where no one has to be born with genetic defects or deformities and everyone lives in good health, however the means do not justify the end. I say that because this line of thought can and has lead to the practice of eugenics and while the eugenics of the Nazis was admittedly not all that concerned with creating a world with nothing but healthy people as much as it was with creating a world full of characteristically German people, their's still serves as a cautionary tale of how this train of thought can go wrong.

I am all for a world where people can determine whether or not their children would be born with Downs or Autism and if so they can then chose to adopt instead but I have no desire to go back to the days of tossing babies over the cliff, so to speak.

Really? Genetic engineering to prevent such people from ever being born? And if obesity or homosexuality, or poverty is genetic you'd be for 'fixing' that as well?

If a syndrome has a genetic cause then it's a natural and normal variation like the color of our hair and eyes - it's not something that needs to be fixed.
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

Wow my first "neg." But I couldn't disagree more. That we've evolved where these things are present suggests despite chances to do so, nature hasn't seen fit to remove it from our 'possibilities' list of genes.

Just because someone has Down's Syndrome or other developmental difference doesn't mean they're worthless. By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?


Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before they can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.

 
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Yes...atheism makes it easier to practice the killing of..."undesirables"...one of the leaders,in the atheism movement proves it...

Atheist Richard Dawkins: 'Abort' Down's Syndrome Baby, 'Immoral To Bring It Into The World'

Atheist author Richard Dawkins provoked a firestorm Wednesday on Twitter by claiming an unborn baby with Down’s syndrome should be aborted and that it would be “immoral to bring it into the world.”

the various socialist movements in the 20th century in Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia...had this view point as well...
Obviously you're incapable of contributing anything of value and merit, and capable only of propagating lies, stupidity, hate, and ignorance.
 


Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before the can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.


Hope you have a job you love already because this is one of those posts people copy and comes back to haunt you.
 

Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before the can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.


Hope you have a job you love already because this is one of those posts people copy and comes back to haunt you.


I don't get it. How is this post supposed to "come back and haunt me?"

 
I think that great care should be taken with this line of thought. Because on the one hand, it would be wonderful if we could attain a world where no one has to be born with genetic defects or deformities and everyone lives in good health, however the means do not justify the end. I say that because this line of thought can and has lead to the practice of eugenics and while the eugenics of the Nazis was admittedly not all that concerned with creating a world with nothing but healthy people as much as it was with creating a world full of characteristically German people, their's still serves as a cautionary tale of how this train of thought can go wrong.

I am all for a world where people can determine whether or not their children would be born with Downs or Autism and if so they can then chose to adopt instead but I have no desire to go back to the days of tossing babies over the cliff, so to speak.

Really? Genetic engineering to prevent such people from ever being born? And if obesity or homosexuality, or poverty is genetic you'd be for 'fixing' that as well?

If a syndrome has a genetic cause then it's a natural and normal variation like the color of our hair and eyes - it's not something that needs to be fixed.

There is a vast difference between genetic diseases and the things you listed. If I could find a way to solve poverty, I would but the other two are a choice that people make and it is their's and their's alone to make. Some may even make the case that homosexuality isn't a choice but honestly I don't care either way. They are free to love whoever the want. I do not view homosexuality as a disease. As for obesity that is also different because we are finding healthy ways to solve that problem and as our technology advances the solutions will get ever easier to implement which will encourage more people to lose the weight. I'm fairly certain that if it were easy and affordable for every obese person to go down to a healthier, more manageable weight, they would and I believe that will one day be the case. But again it is their choice and they accept how it affects their quality of life.

Someone suffering from genetic disease doesn't get to choose and in cases where it severely hampers their quality of life I simply pose the question "Would no existence have been better than their current existence?" I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other. It is a very difficult subject.
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

Wow my first "neg." But I couldn't disagree more. That we've evolved where these things are present suggests despite chances to do so, nature hasn't seen fit to remove it from our 'possibilities' list of genes.

Just because someone has Down's Syndrome or other developmental difference doesn't mean they're worthless. By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?

Nature is an incredibly random force and besides nature has nothing to do with it ,we do. Why do you think the only other animals you really see with genetic diseases like Downs are in zoos? These genetic defects happen in their DNA just it does with ours the only difference is that the laws of nature and natural selection apply to other animals that live in the wild, so ones with Downs or other diseases die off, making it a more rare occurrence.

I'm not saying that you're argument isn't valid. I'm just saying that was a poor defense of it.
I agree that all life is sacred and I honestly don't know one way or the other is aborting a Downs baby is right but what I'm saying is if we had the medical advances to tell parents in beforehand that their children would come out with a genetic disease, wouldn't it be best for them to just adopt?.
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?


Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before they can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.


This is the sort of post that casts the non-religious in a bad light. As an atheist, I don't appreciate what this does for the public image of atheism, whether you consider yourself an atheist or agnostic or whatever. Regardless, comments like this will likely get pinned on the atheists of this forum.
 
I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?


Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before they can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.


This is the sort of post that casts the non-religious in a bad light. As an atheist, I don't appreciate what this does for the public image of atheism, whether you consider yourself an atheist or agnostic or whatever. Regardless, comments like this will likely get pinned on the atheists of this forum.

I don't give a damn about "the public image of atheism" for many reasons, but mostly because I am not an athiest, nor am I "agnostic".
 
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I definitely agree that a baby with Down's syndrome should be aborted. I also agree that many humans with terrible genetically inherited diseases should be culled from our species.

By all accounts Hitler was normal but has a Down's person ever murdered 11 million people?


Because of his choices, Hitler was greater than over 99% of human beings.

He was born low class but became a force powerful enough to become ruler of his country and conquer numerous other countries during his reign. Hitler made the entire world tremble, and culled over 11 million human beings...

Humans still speak about him every day, and will do so for many, many years to come. Is it out of fear? Anger? Hate? Admiration?

It doesn't matter. Hitler is remembered because he chose to pursue and create a grand destiny for himself and was able to do so, unlike many who have tried.

How many humans die and are forgotten soon after their death? How many humans die before they can have such a profound impact on the world?

How many humans die before they can take a single human life, or a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million?

Eleven million?

Hitler achieved a level of greatness most humans will never experience, and even those who despise him know that.


This is the sort of post that casts the non-religious in a bad light. As an atheist, I don't appreciate what this does for the public image of atheism, whether you consider yourself an atheist or agnostic or whatever. Regardless, comments like this will likely get pinned on the atheists of this forum.
So!?!? What is wrong with that? It is someone's opinion. Do you actually believe that someone is more likely to experiment on someone else if they believe that that individual is created in the image of GOD or a non-individual? This is the reality. The Nazis were not devout Christians. They were selfish, egotistical, control fiends. They placed nothing in God's hand's. They built the camps, experimental labs, gas chambers and crematoriums. They in fact closed religious schools, sanatoriums, burned religious structures... The Nazis practiced genetic mating. They believed that races evolved and that they were at the TOP on! Christians do NOT believe this (at least not those who believe the Bible to be inerrant). Now, some Christians did hurt and kill people who disagreed with them, but this was a power grab and not what the New Testament Church was taught in the scriptures. Evil has always tried to control and manipulate what people are supposed to think, and believe.
 

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