ATF circles the wagons over Fast and Furious

[Flagwavrusa]

All three of the ATF supervisors who directed the ATF Fast and Furious operation have been given promotions and moved to Washington D.C. headquarters where the administration can keep an eye on them and insure their silence.

ATF promotes supervisors from border gun operation - latimes.com

At first the supervisors steadfastly denied any knowledge about letting guns walk across the border until the head of the ATF actually admitted to a secretly convened congressional panel that it did happen. Now, the supervisors are apologisingfor the operation and admitting they made 'mistakes' that in hindsight they would have done differently, that they have learned an important lesson from, and that will allow them to improve their operations in the future, etc. etc. but as far as they are concerned it's all in the past.

Still no one at the ATF or the DOJ has explained why in god's name the ATF would let an arsenal of high powered weapons capable of outfitting two military Brigades cross the Mexican border into the hands of drug cartels without tracking them, nor who authorized such insanity.

 

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All three of the ATF supervisors who directed the ATF Fast and Furious operation have been given promotions and moved to Washington D.C. headquarters where the administration can keep an eye on them and insure their silence.

ATF promotes supervisors from border gun operation - latimes.com

At first the supervisors steadfastly denied any knowledge about letting guns walk across the border until the head of the ATF actually admitted to a secretly convened congressional panel that it did happen. Now, the supervisors are apologisingfor the operation and admitting they made 'mistakes' that in hindsight they would have done differently, that they have learned an important lesson from, and that will allow them to improve their operations in the future, etc. etc. but as far as they are concerned it's all in the past.

Still no one at the ATF or the DOJ has explained why in god's name the ATF would let an arsenal of high powered weapons capable of outfitting two military Brigades cross the Mexican border into the hands of drug cartels without tracking them, nor who authorized such insanity.

All of them guilty of accessory to murder, conspiracy to violating federal firearm laws, violating federal firearms law.

Then this administration promotes them. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

 

[BoycottTheday]

Crime coverup, must be politicians at work, no surprise DC is the only place things are booming.

Anyone see a special prosecutor yet? Could have sworn one was warranted.

 

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Crime coverup, must be politicians at work, no surprise DC is the only place things are booming.

Anyone see a special prosecutor yet? Could have sworn one was warranted.

Not until the next admin, Then only if the party doesnt feel like covering for the other because they may wish to do something similar.

 

[oreo]

All three of the ATF supervisors who directed the ATF Fast and Furious operation have been given promotions and moved to Washington D.C. headquarters where the administration can keep an eye on them and insure their silence.

ATF promotes supervisors from border gun operation - latimes.com

At first the supervisors steadfastly denied any knowledge about letting guns walk across the border until the head of the ATF actually admitted to a secretly convened congressional panel that it did happen. Now, the supervisors are apologisingfor the operation and admitting they made 'mistakes' that in hindsight they would have done differently, that they have learned an important lesson from, and that will allow them to improve their operations in the future, etc. etc. but as far as they are concerned it's all in the past.

Still no one at the ATF or the DOJ has explained why in god's name the ATF would let an arsenal of high powered weapons capable of outfitting two military Brigades cross the Mexican border into the hands of drug cartels without tracking them, nor who authorized such insanity.

All of them guilty of accessory to murder, conspiracy to violating federal firearm laws, violating federal firearms law.

Then this administration promotes them. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

This smells like a cover up. They had to promote them otherwise they would TALK--and the mention of higher level officials--like Eric Holder may be brought up.

 

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All three of the ATF supervisors who directed the ATF Fast and Furious operation have been given promotions and moved to Washington D.C. headquarters where the administration can keep an eye on them and insure their silence.

ATF promotes supervisors from border gun operation - latimes.com

At first the supervisors steadfastly denied any knowledge about letting guns walk across the border until the head of the ATF actually admitted to a secretly convened congressional panel that it did happen. Now, the supervisors are apologisingfor the operation and admitting they made 'mistakes' that in hindsight they would have done differently, that they have learned an important lesson from, and that will allow them to improve their operations in the future, etc. etc. but as far as they are concerned it's all in the past.

Still no one at the ATF or the DOJ has explained why in god's name the ATF would let an arsenal of high powered weapons capable of outfitting two military Brigades cross the Mexican border into the hands of drug cartels without tracking them, nor who authorized such insanity.

All of them guilty of accessory to murder, conspiracy to violating federal firearm laws, violating federal firearms law.

Then this administration promotes them. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE.

This smells like a cover up. They had to promote them otherwise they would TALK--and the mention of higher level officials--like Eric Holder may be brought up.

The conspiracy runs higher then that. Some one put it in the stimulus. We had the president talking about backdoor methods. A white house staffer knew, but not the president?

 

[FA_Q2]

People should be going to JAIL and instead they are promoted....

 

[bitterlyclingin]

"Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Heydrich, and Goebbels did not come out and say exactly what they wanted at Wannsee, they spoke in riddles, instead. Neither did Obama and Holder at their meetings"

""It is essential that our efforts support the strategies and policies of the President and the Attorney General and where possible, complement the strategies of other agencies." -- "Project Gunrunner: A Cartel Focused Strategy," internal ATF report, September 2010, Page 2"

Things like this happen because of meetings. People sit in meetings and they decide what they want to happen. And then they take decisions, make policy and implement that policy to achieve those ends." He added, "That's why State is so nervous. They signed off on this. In a meeting."

"Gunrunner, I pointed out to him, predated the Obama administration. "Yes, but 'walking guns' didn't." I told him it seemed to me that given the dates on the documents that the meetings crafting this policy must have taken place sometime in mid-2009. "And who took power in January, 2009?" he replied.

He continued, summing up this way. The gun issue was known to be radioactive. Every time the Democrats embraced it they got killed at the polls the next election cycle. What was needed, in Rahm Emanuel's parlance, was a good crisis to exploit, something to change the paradigm. The gun confiscationists had always danced in the blood (my term, not his) of every mass shooting and gotten nowhere, to their chagrin and frustration. What was needed was a game changer. Something that fit the meme of "we've got to tighten up on American gunowners, gun stores and gun shows because they are feeding the slaughter." Mexico was perfect. The ATF controlled the reporting of the statistics, the headlines were lurid and if the rest of us gunnies knew that you don't get automatic weapons, hand grenades and RPGs from gun shows and gun stores, most of the American people were too ignorant of the issue to care about the distinction. But the fact was, as the IG report and other sources concluded, the amount of weapons from those legitimate American sources did not meet the allegation. More importantly the statistics didn't meet the policy need. So, how to "fix" that? Project Gunwalker. If there weren't enough semi-auto "assault rifles" in Mexico, the ATF could fix that. And the murders would follow, justifying the policy change of cracking down on "assault rifles," gun shows and the like.

"So," I said, "you're saying that this was a deliberate attempt by policymakers at the highest levels of the Obama administration to subvert the Second Amendment and further diminish the free exercise of firearm rights of honest citizens?"

"You got it. Sucks, huh?" He laughed bitterly.


Sipsey Street Irregulars: Sipsey Street Exclusive: "Meetings, Part 1." Why the ATF scheduled a National Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit on 30 June 2009 in NM.

 

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"Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Heydrich, and Goebbels did not come out and say exactly what they wanted at Wannsee, they spoke in riddles, instead. Neither did Obama and Holder at their meetings"

""It is essential that our efforts support the strategies and policies of the President and the Attorney General and where possible, complement the strategies of other agencies." -- "Project Gunrunner: A Cartel Focused Strategy," internal ATF report, September 2010, Page 2"

Things like this happen because of meetings. People sit in meetings and they decide what they want to happen. And then they take decisions, make policy and implement that policy to achieve those ends." He added, "That's why State is so nervous. They signed off on this. In a meeting."

"Gunrunner, I pointed out to him, predated the Obama administration. "Yes, but 'walking guns' didn't." I told him it seemed to me that given the dates on the documents that the meetings crafting this policy must have taken place sometime in mid-2009. "And who took power in January, 2009?" he replied.

He continued, summing up this way. The gun issue was known to be radioactive. Every time the Democrats embraced it they got killed at the polls the next election cycle. What was needed, in Rahm Emanuel's parlance, was a good crisis to exploit, something to change the paradigm. The gun confiscationists had always danced in the blood (my term, not his) of every mass shooting and gotten nowhere, to their chagrin and frustration. What was needed was a game changer. Something that fit the meme of "we've got to tighten up on American gunowners, gun stores and gun shows because they are feeding the slaughter." Mexico was perfect. The ATF controlled the reporting of the statistics, the headlines were lurid and if the rest of us gunnies knew that you don't get automatic weapons, hand grenades and RPGs from gun shows and gun stores, most of the American people were too ignorant of the issue to care about the distinction. But the fact was, as the IG report and other sources concluded, the amount of weapons from those legitimate American sources did not meet the allegation. More importantly the statistics didn't meet the policy need. So, how to "fix" that? Project Gunwalker. If there weren't enough semi-auto "assault rifles" in Mexico, the ATF could fix that. And the murders would follow, justifying the policy change of cracking down on "assault rifles," gun shows and the like.

"So," I said, "you're saying that this was a deliberate attempt by policymakers at the highest levels of the Obama administration to subvert the Second Amendment and further diminish the free exercise of firearm rights of honest citizens?"

"You got it. Sucks, huh?" He laughed bitterly.


Sipsey Street Irregulars: Sipsey Street Exclusive: "Meetings, Part 1." Why the ATF scheduled a National Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit on 30 June 2009 in NM.

Yup, MUST be an elaborate conspiracy to push one policy.....

OR it could just be that our government is inept and stupid. This is more a cover my ass move by the power base than a cover up of massive proportions.

 

[whitehall]

If the alleged "investigative reporters" were doing their job the ATF would have been out of business or back where they belong smashing moonshine stills after the debacles of Ruby Ridge and Waco. It does seem like the gun running mess has a bit of legs due to alternate sources of information not connected to Woodward and Bernstein but the media is relatively silent.

 

[BoycottTheday]

Who can blame them, look at this topic here, not even one page,

yet some assinine thread started by one of the local BDpoops or TMer trolls,

and the topic stays in politics and goes 16 pages filled with tit vs tat.

Just shows ya how doomed y'all are in the States.

 

[freedombecki]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Q5MV1D_Vc&feature=player_detailpage]Sen. Cornyn on the O'Reilly Factor Fast and Furious 8-18-11.mpg - YouTube[/ame]

 

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Who can blame them, look at this topic here, not even one page,

yet some assinine thread started by one of the local BDpoops or TMer trolls,

and the topic stays in politics and goes 16 pages filled with tit vs tat.

Just shows ya how doomed y'all are in the States.

Not doomed, destined to another civil war.

 

[BoycottTheday]

The minute rednecks find out liberals taste like chicken its over.

 

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The minute rednecks find out liberals taste like chicken its over.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

Sen. Cornyn on the O'Reilly Factor Fast and Furious 8-18-11.mpg - YouTube

From the beginning, it was obvious that Eric Holder is lying about not knowing of FAF, and that he and the Justice Department are engaged in a massive coverup.

Senator John Cornyn from Texas is now saying the very same thing: Holder is lying, and covering up the scandal. Probably Congressional leaders will start calling for Holder to step down as they become more familiar with the House Oversight Committees's investigation.

In the latest outrage, Rep Grassly and Isa accused Holder of obfuscation in response to the July 22 list of questions they sent him. THey said the most egregious non-answer was when he basically said "I don't know" when they asked him for details about 11 different instances of recovery of FAF guns at violent crime scenes HERE IN THE U.S.! That's right, these weapons are not only still killing Mexicans they are circulating right here in America, some of them are being recovered at crime scenes, and Holder won't reveal the details. I think the only way Grassly and Isa will get the American people to understand Holder is when they haul his ass into congressional hearings and he pleads the 5th.

Holder requests Fast and Furious docs from Issa, Grassley for

Is it just me, or does it feel like a flash mob has taken hold of the reigns of power in D.C. and the responsible people in the press and in positions of power will not do anything about it because of political correctness?

 

[freedombecki]

Sen. Cornyn on the O'Reilly Factor Fast and Furious 8-18-11.mpg - YouTube

From the beginning, it was obvious that Eric Holder is lying about not knowing of FAF, and that he and the Justice Department are engaged in a massive coverup.

Senator John Cornyn from Texas is now saying the very same thing: Holder is lying, and covering up the scandal. Probably Congressional leaders will start calling for Holder to step down as they become more familiar with the House Oversight Committees's investigation.

In the latest outrage, Rep Grassly and Isa accused Holder of obfuscation in response to the July 22 list of questions they sent him. THey said the most egregious non-answer was when he basically said "I don't know" when they asked him for details about 11 different instances of recovery of FAF guns at violent crime scenes HERE IN THE U.S.! That's right, these weapons are not only still killing Mexicans they are circulating right here in America, some of them are being recovered at crime scenes, and Holder won't reveal the details. I think the only way Grassly and Isa will get the American people to understand Holder is when they haul his ass into congressional hearings and he pleads the 5th.

Holder requests Fast and Furious docs from Issa, Grassley for

Is it just me, or does it feel like a flash mob has taken hold of the reigns of power in D.C. and the responsible people in the press and in positions of power will not do anything about it because of political correctness?

Holder is not being forthright in his answering, now he just wants to know what they know. He thinks it's his job to be noncooperative with the people's senators who represent American citizens.

The Saul Alinsky school of "information of power" is taking a bite out of this nation, and it needs to stop.

 

[FA_Q2]

Sen. Cornyn on the O'Reilly Factor Fast and Furious 8-18-11.mpg - YouTube

From the beginning, it was obvious that Eric Holder is lying about not knowing of FAF, and that he and the Justice Department are engaged in a massive coverup.

Senator John Cornyn from Texas is now saying the very same thing: Holder is lying, and covering up the scandal. Probably Congressional leaders will start calling for Holder to step down as they become more familiar with the House Oversight Committees's investigation.

In the latest outrage, Rep Grassly and Isa accused Holder of obfuscation in response to the July 22 list of questions they sent him. THey said the most egregious non-answer was when he basically said "I don't know" when they asked him for details about 11 different instances of recovery of FAF guns at violent crime scenes HERE IN THE U.S.! That's right, these weapons are not only still killing Mexicans they are circulating right here in America, some of them are being recovered at crime scenes, and Holder won't reveal the details. I think the only way Grassly and Isa will get the American people to understand Holder is when they haul his ass into congressional hearings and he pleads the 5th.

Holder requests Fast and Furious docs from Issa, Grassley for

Is it just me, or does it feel like a flash mob has taken hold of the reigns of power in D.C. and the responsible people in the press and in positions of power will not do anything about it because of political correctness?

The sad part is that it will likely never get that far and those responsible for the deaths caused by this program will likely never see justice.