Assuming it was a hoax, what would be the goal of the global warming hoax?

[SSDD]

Ivanpah plant has a levelized cost of $72, the caveat is it has practically no storage capacity.

The subsides for that power plant are outrageous....to suggest that it generates energy at $72 is to be astoundingly ignorant of the economics...

If enough batteries were added to cover 1% of the anual production the levelized cost would rise above $110.

Again, the subsides drive the actual cost to astronomical levels....if it were a viable source of energy, no subsidy would be required....they could get by on the same tax breaks all real energy producers get by on. Even now the company is begging for cash from the government to keep from going under...loans are coming due and there is no money to pay them...the Ivanpah plant is nothing more than a great big shiny money hole....interesting that you are unwilling to look at that fact square on. it is a blight on the desert and an effective bird killing machine. For someone who professes to be concerned about the environment, it is surprising that you can turn a blind eye to the incredible environmental damage that renewables cause.

Storage is the achiles heel of renewable. So again, I'm not pushing it until there is an acceptable proven large scale solution. Pumped hydro and compressed gas seem to be promissing , but there's nothing more than prototypes right now.

No...it's cost...and gross inefficiency....if renewables were an up and coming thing...governemnt funds would not be necessary.

 

[CultureCitizen]

The subsides for that power plant are outrageous....to suggest that it generates energy at $72 is to be astoundingly ignorant of the economics...

The probably costed 2.2 B, maybe more 2.5 and generates 3% of its output using gas.
If it receives other subsidies then post the links.

 

[Crick]

No...it's cost...and gross inefficiency....if renewables were an up and coming thing...governemnt funds would not be necessary.

Have you got some actual data to back that up?

 

[SSDD]

No...it's cost...and gross inefficiency....if renewables were an up and coming thing...governemnt funds would not be necessary.

Have you got some actual data to back that up?

Yeah...the lack of actual private investors jumping into renewables because they are such a fine investment...good investments don't require billions in government subsidies....seems you know about as much about economics as you do about reading graphs....nothing.

 

[Old Rocks]

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Renewables Re-energized: Green Energy Investments Worldwide Surge 17% to $270 Billion in 2014

According to UNEP's 9th "Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015", prepared by the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre for Climate & Sustainable Energy Finance and Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and Bloomberg New Energy Finance — the past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Well now, SSDD, perhaps you should post something to back up your flap-yap. Because it looks like you haven't a clue as the real situation on investment in renewable energy.

 

[jc456]

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Renewables Re-energized: Green Energy Investments Worldwide Surge 17% to $270 Billion in 2014

According to UNEP's 9th "Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015", prepared by the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre for Climate & Sustainable Energy Finance and Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and Bloomberg New Energy Finance — the past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Well now, SSDD, perhaps you should post something to back up your flap-yap. Because it looks like you haven't a clue as the real situation on investment in renewable energy.

then why the need for the subsidies from the government? I believe that was the discussion point.

 

[skookerasbil]

As I have said many times..........any time AGW people start floating statistics on anything, your radar has to come up..........HUGE. Because they are very fond of creating a bogus sense of "growth" in any area's, but particularly in renewable energy!!!

Go check the RENIXX graph ( this is like the Dow Jones of renewable energy ) whenever you want to verify something on the state of renewables. Although 2014 saw a jump, 2015 has been very very flat in terms of growth and heres the thing.........current investment is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down from 2007 levels.

But don't just take my word for it.........check the graph HERE >>>

Renewable Energy Industry - wind power, solar energy, hydro power, biomass, fuel cells



The AGW crowd loves to throw out lots of gaudy stats thinking nobody will check them out.

But I do.........


And then the gut punch.........

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Renewables Re-energized: Green Energy Investments Worldwide Surge 17% to $270 Billion in 2014

According to UNEP's 9th "Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015", prepared by the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre for Climate & Sustainable Energy Finance and Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and Bloomberg New Energy Finance — the past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Well now, SSDD, perhaps you should post something to back up your flap-yap. Because it looks like you haven't a clue as the real situation on investment in renewable energy.

Hey Sparky seen the price of oil and gas lately? Only an idiot would subsidize alternative to make it efficient

 

[SSDD]

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Renewables Re-energized: Green Energy Investments Worldwide Surge 17% to $270 Billion in 2014

According to UNEP's 9th "Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015", prepared by the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre for Climate & Sustainable Energy Finance and Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and Bloomberg New Energy Finance — the past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Well now, SSDD, perhaps you should post something to back up your flap-yap. Because it looks like you haven't a clue as the real situation on investment in renewable energy.

Laughing at you rocks....we all know that you liberals call government spending "investments"....if renewables were actually a good investment, you could track their success on the stock market....we both know you can't...the only investment in green energy is coming from government.

 

[SSDD]

Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Renewables Re-energized: Green Energy Investments Worldwide Surge 17% to $270 Billion in 2014

According to UNEP's 9th "Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015", prepared by the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre for Climate & Sustainable Energy Finance and Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and Bloomberg New Energy Finance — the past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Well now, SSDD, perhaps you should post something to back up your flap-yap. Because it looks like you haven't a clue as the real situation on investment in renewable energy.

then why the need for the subsidies from the government? I believe that was the discussion point.

To liberal wackjobs....government spending on their pet projects is investment...

 

[skookerasbil]

Hey SSDD......check out the RENIXX graph!!! Laughable........especially when compared to 2007. And 2015 is flat as a pancake.


The AGW crowd has never even heard of it!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

God I love this forum............winning..............winning............and winning!!!