You just do not get it do you? How old are you? I lived through the 60's and all the protests. They were all anti-government and while some were peaceful, there were the Bill Ayers' types as well. I liked the anti-government aspect of it. And all of these folks were Democrats. Anti-Government Democrats. Well, since then they have taken over what used to be the Democratic Party and turned it into . . . . something unrecognizable. Something that now goes out and protests for more Government. Do you not see that? Hossfly is a Vietnam Vet and I'm sure he has some stories to tell along these lines. It seems as though the Democratic party as it is today is out to get anyone who is now anti-government. The irony is palatable. And it doesn't taste good. Now mind you, I became quite disappointed in the Republican party as well before I could legally vote. In the first presidential election I could vote in, I did not vote for either of the 'big' two. I did not vote for Reagan. Now, I try to not assume you're a Democrat, actually it doesn't mean squat to the point I'm trying to make. All through this thread I've tried to point out the irony of the situation. All the anti-government protestors of the '60's and '70's who were and are Democrats have turned it around on us and have helped the .gov grow in so much power that it is true. Individual BLM, Fish & Wildlife, and even USFS managers can write their own rules which become as if they are public laws. They can and some do treat their administrative areas as their own fiefdom. The .gov has been given WAY too much power. So, yes, for these folks to have pushed back and won, I say good for them. Maybe the Bundy's et al are the Democrats of the 21st century, hehe.