Assessment of the first consensus prediction on climate change

[SSDD]

In the real world, the world scientific community is solidly supporting the conclusions of the climate scientists on the reality and dangers to our world of AGW. In the real world, you denier cultists are seen as fringe lunatics similar to the Flat Earth Society. The BS put forth by denier cultists or denier cult blogs does not constitute "undeniable proof" about anything in the real world, only in the deranged bizarro-world that the poorly educated anti-science denier cultists inhabit.

What do you know....a post in your own words. Of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with, or in any way addresses the post that you are supposedly answering, but that is pretty much par for the course where you are conserned.

Like I said...oblivious. Tell me, did you achieve that state via drugs, or is it a chemical imbalance in your brain...or perhaps a chemical imbalance brought on and sustained by drugs?

 

[SSDD]

You can figure out what you want and invent the rest. I'll tell you about an assessment of climate. It's going to be a lot worse than they say. That's a no brainer. It's going to be bad.

Of course it is going to be a lot worse than they say because the big "they" have it completely wrong. The earth is slipping towards a cold spell that is going to last for a couple of decades. Cold is much worse for life on earth than warm.

 

[SSDD]

LOL.....so writes a hard core member of the lunatic little astro-turfed cult of AGW denial....with no sense of irony either....too funny....LOL...especially humorous in that the ol' walleyedretard is one of the variety of denier cultists who never has any actual facts to support his ridiculous fraudulent claims....he just has an unshakable "faith" in his own deluded opinions even when shown definitive evidence that the entire world scientific community disagrees with his defective misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the scientific evidence and conclusions regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate changes.

Again, you completely ignore the undeniable proof that Ian is giving you regarding the very poor science coming from mann, et al and rather than address those hard facts, you skip them completely in favor of some pre school level name calling.

 

[IanC]

LOL.....so writes a hard core member of the lunatic little astro-turfed cult of AGW denial....with no sense of irony either....too funny....LOL...especially humorous in that the ol' walleyedretard is one of the variety of denier cultists who never has any actual facts to support his ridiculous fraudulent claims....he just has an unshakable "faith" in his own deluded opinions even when shown definitive evidence that the entire world scientific community disagrees with his defective misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the scientific evidence and conclusions regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate changes.

Again, you completely ignore the undeniable proof that Ian is giving you regarding the very poor science coming from mann, et al and rather than address those hard facts, you skip them completely in favor of some pre school level name calling.

trakar, rolling thunder and especially Old Rocks have found out that it is much easier to splutter, point and shout 'unclean' than it is to follow any chain of evidence from origin to conclusion.

I think you should be more explicit in step two

 

[Oddball]

To be fair, they like to shout "HERETIC!" too.

 

[SSDD]

To be fair, they like to shout "HERETIC!" too.

I think I would prefer to be called unclean. Sounds more........something. Can't quite place my finger on it....but sounds more appropriate to gia worship.

 

[Dubya]

You can figure out what you want and invent the rest. I'll tell you about an assessment of climate. It's going to be a lot worse than they say. That's a no brainer. It's going to be bad.

Of course it is going to be a lot worse than they say because the big "they" have it completely wrong. The earth is slipping towards a cold spell that is going to last for a couple of decades. Cold is much worse for life on earth than warm.

We're going to melt Greenland and western Antarctica. Then, we're going to figure out every city in the world along the coast is doomed. In the mean time, exceptional weather will become the norm.

When the world hits the panic button and starts doing shit like stratospheric aerosols, that's very risky. What if a volcano goes off during that time?

 

[SSDD]

We're going to melt Greenland and western Antarctica. Then, we're going to figure out every city in the world along the coast is doomed. In the mean time, exceptional weather will become the norm.

When the world hits the panic button and starts doing shit like stratospheric aerosols, that's very risky. What if a volcano goes off during that time?

According to the computer models that are failing faster than they can be rewritten. You obviously are unable to separate reality from computer models. You posted a chart in another thread that clearly showed sea level dropping since 2010. Where do you think that water is going?

 

[Trakar]

...Stupid is what stupid does and what we have here are mindless people only using their mouth, because they have no mind to back it up.

I've tried to be a teacher and have failed, long before coming to here. How do you teach people who already know reality and will lie for their agenda? All you can do is make it so they don't have the only voice to delude others. We know shit is going down in this world and they will say it's happened before and means nothing. No matter what happens, the fools will always be fools. Some are fools, but most are people put on websites paid to lie...

"Paid to lie," at least for any of these here, would be an over-generous and completely undeserved compliment. They seem mostly echo-chamber repeaters, they don't even make reasoned political arguments yet alone scientifically competent climate arguments. You might as well be arguing with a TV program for all the direct efficacy such is going to have on their opinions or commentary. Explain the science, address and correct the major errors in their rhetoric and link to the science as much as possible so that independent thinking readers can discover the underlying realities for themselves. It's not about those who have "reasons" to disagree anymore, the important thing now is to get as much accurate information out as possible and point out the flaws in the pseudoscience the denialists offer in the stead of science. Extended argument and compelling evidence will not change opinions not based on reason.


Don't get so stressed, these idiots are not worth the waste of angiotensinogen and renin.

 

[RollingThunder]

We're going to melt Greenland and western Antarctica. Then, we're going to figure out every city in the world along the coast is doomed. In the mean time, exceptional weather will become the norm.

When the world hits the panic button and starts doing shit like stratospheric aerosols, that's very risky. What if a volcano goes off during that time?

According to the computer models that are failing faster than they can be rewritten.

Greenland and western Antarctica are already melting and the rate of melting is increasing. That is a fact based on direct observation and measurement, not "computer models", numbnuts. And, BTW, despite the braindead myths of your cult of denial, computer climate models are getting very accurate and reliable.

Greenland, Antarctica ice melt speeding up, study finds
CNN
By Matt Smith
November 29, 2012
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Two decades of satellite readings back up what dramatic pictures have suggested in recent years: The mile-thick ice sheets that cover Greenland and most of Antarctica are melting at a faster rate in a warming world. That's the conclusion of an international network of scientists who released their review of one of the biggest question marks in climate science Thursday. Long-term climate change fueled by a buildup of atmospheric carbon emissions is a controversial notion politically, but it's one accepted as fact by most scientists. Previous estimates of how much the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets contributed to the current 3 millimeter-per-year rise in sea levels have varied widely, and the 2007 report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change left the question open. The research released Thursday was backed by the European Union, NASA, the National Science Foundation and research councils in Britain and the Netherlands, with the findings published in this week's edition of the peer-reviewed journal Science. The project involved 47 scientists who compared readings from various satellite-based methods, including radar and laser readings and measurements of the minute gravitational changes around the ice sheets.

They concluded that Greenland and two of the three ice sheets that cover Antarctica have lost an estimated 237 billion metric tons, give or take a few billion, in the past 19 years. The ice sheet that covers eastern Antarctica grew, but only by about 14 billion tons -- not nearly enough to offset the losses from the layer that covers the western portion of the continent and the Antarctic Peninsula. "Antarctica is losing mass, but it's not losing as much mass as many of the reports had suggested," Ivins said. "Greenland, on the other hand, is losing more mass today than it was in 1990 by a factor of five." In July, researchers watched as a stretch of unusually warm temperatures melted nearly the entire surface of the Greenland ice sheet. The study's lead author, Andrew Shepherd of Britain's University of Leeds, said the results are the clearest evidence that the ice sheets are losing ground and are intended to be the benchmark for climate scientists to use for future calculations.

You obviously are unable to separate reality from computer models.

You obviously are unclear on the difference between the two. "Reality" is where global average temperatures have been rising for many decades and ice is melting fast all over the planet. This is determined with evidence from direct observation with eyes, satellites, and many other kinds of instrumentation. "Computer models" use the data collected from direct observations to extrapolate future trends but they are not the source of the information about our changing planet, as you so idiotically seem to assume.

You posted a chart in another thread that clearly showed sea level dropping since 2010. Where do you think that water is going?

Why did sea level fall in 2010?
Skeptical Science
(excerpts)

The skeptic argument - Sea level fell in 2010 - Large sea level fall in 2010 means IPCC sea level projections are wrong.

What the science says - Sea level fluctuations during El Niño (rising) and La Niña (falling) are the result of large exchanges of water between land and ocean in the form of rain and snow. This averages out to zero over time. It does not affect long-term sea level rise, which comes from melting icesheets, glaciers, and thermal expansion.

Figure 1: University of Colorado global mean sea level data with a 12-month running average, and short-term declines.

Cause of Short-Term Decline

Figure 1 confirms that yes, global mean sea level has declined slightly over the past year or so, and even slightly more than previous recent short-term declines. But a true skeptic should ask what has caused this short-term decline, especially since it appears counter-intuitive. After all, land-based ice continues to melt rapidly, and the oceans continue to warm rapidly (thermal expansion of ocean water contributes to sea level rise). So what has dampened the long-term sea leve rise illustrated in Figure 1?

As Skeptical Science has previously reported, climate scientists attribute the short-term decline to extreme flooding in 2010. This period also saw a strong La Niña cycle, which typically results in an increase of rain and snow falling over land, which corresponds with a fall in global sea level. 2009 to 2011 saw some epic deluges throughout the world; countries such as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia, the Philippines, Brazil, Colombia and the United States have been hammered with extreme flooding.

 

[Dubya]

You can figure out what you want and invent the rest. I'll tell you about an assessment of climate. It's going to be a lot worse than they say. That's a no brainer. It's going to be bad.

Of course it is going to be a lot worse than they say because the big "they" have it completely wrong. The earth is slipping towards a cold spell that is going to last for a couple of decades. Cold is much worse for life on earth than warm.

Ice doesn't melt when it gets cold. It takes a hell of a lot of heat to melt ice. If you add that amount of heat to the water afterwards, you have hot oceans.

This world is suppose to get cold, but it isn't.