Assault Rifles At Occupy Wall Street

[The Infidel]

Philadelphia permits "conceal and carry". I imagine there are a few packing heat at the protest. You'd never see that on the news though.

If they are concealed.... how would the news media know?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Earlier on Saturday, police had provided a cordon of protection for a group of neo-fascists organized in the anti-immigrant “Arizona Border Guard,” who staged an armed counter-demonstration against the thousands of anti-Wall Street protesters. The fascists paraded in combat fatigues carrying assault rifles.

Link: wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/owst-o18.shtml

In Atlanta, Reed said the last straw came on Tuesday, when he said a man with an AK-47 assault rifle joined the protesters in Woodruff Park.

Link: livemint.com/2011/10/27225705/Wall-Street-protests-face-crac.html

USBG border rangers and voluteers attend Occupy Wall Street protests across the country.

Link: usborderguard.com/US_Border_Guard.html

Neo-Nazis Patrol “Occupy Phoenix” With AR-15s

Link: liveleak.com/view?i=ffa_1319749090

There are some 300 Million - 400 million Firearms in USA Under Private Ownership. Every gun is legal in America.

Protestors on the streets of USA and Europe are dangerous.

Oh I get it....The rights worth protecting and supporting only apply to the rights YOU agree with and of course only the people that agree with you.
Because the ABG supports legal immigration and does patrol the border, you refer to them as fascists...
OK genius, so where is the main stream media on this?
A story like this would be right in the MSM's wheel house.
HMMMMMMM.....Something is not true here. Usually when something does not make sense, it usually is not true. Perhaps that is why the MSM is staying clear of this alleged story.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ok, fair enough.

But did you watch the video? There is nothing there to suggest either left, right, democrat or republican. And definitely nothing to suggest nazism.

No but I did make a comment about the thread. For the past since bush was president did anyone call bush a Nazi or compare him to Hitler? Has anyone done it to obama?

It's one thing to compare a politician to Hitler. It's something else entirely to state, as if it's a fact, that a militia group is a neo-nazi organization. They might be for all I know, but I certainly wouldn't assume it based on that video.

like Nancy pelosi comment about those who opposed obamacare??


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRUx2b0ArM]Pelosi calls healthcare opponents NAZIS - YouTube[/ame]

 

[chanel]

Philadelphia permits "conceal and carry". I imagine there are a few packing heat at the protest. You'd never see that on the news though.

If they are concealed.... how would the news media know?

Um. The permit allows you to carry open as well.

 

[Intense]

POSSESSION -- LONG GUNS

A permit issued by the Firearms Control Section of the Police Department's License Division is required to possess a rifle or shotgun in New York City. The applicant must submit 4 photos taken within 30 days of application, be fingerprinted, and submit 2 affidavits from persons setting forth his good character. The fee for a rifle and shotgun permit and renewal is $55. The permit is valid for 3 years and is subject to automatic renewal, upon sworn application, and without investigation, unless the Police Commissioner has reason to believe that the status of the applicant has changed since the previous application.

It is unlawful for a person to possess a rifle or shotgun unless he is the holder of a permit as well as a certificate of registration, issued by the Firearms Control Section of the Police Department's License Division for each rifle or shotgun. There is no fee for the certificate of registration; the board keeps a file of all current and past holders of permits and certificates of registration.

The following persons may not obtain a permit to possess a rifle or shotgun:

1. Persons under 18

2 . Convicted felons or those convicted of certain misdemeanors unless a certificate of good conduct has been obtained.

3. Persons not of good moral character.

4. Persons who have suffered any mental illness or been confined to any hospital or institution, public or private, for mental illness.

5. Persons not now free from any mental disorders, defects or diseases that would impair the ability to safely posses or use a rifle or shotgun.

6. Persons for which just cause exists for the denial of the permit.

No later than 30 days from the submission of the application, unless the police commissioner determines more time is needed for an investigation and then it shall not exceed 60 days, the Commissioner shall issue the permit or shall notify the applicant of the denial of the application and the reason or reasons.

If an application for a permit is denied, the applicant can submit an appeal to the Police Department's License Division. A further appeal can be submitted to the Commanding Officer of the License Division.

Any person holding a valid license to carry a concealed weapon in accordance with the provisions of the New York Penal Law will be issued a shotgun or the rifle permit upon application and payment of the $55 fee.

The following persons may possess rifles and shotguns without a permit or certificate:

1. Persons under 18 when in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of an adult who possess a permit.

2. Persons in military service.

3. Peace officers.

4. Non-residents in transit.

5. Members of an accredited civilian rifle club who were given rifles obtained through the DCM.

6. Members of a rifle team representing an educational institution.

7. Persons transporting rifles and shotguns as merchandise.

8. Persons who possess antique rifles and shotguns, defined as those manufactured prior to 1894 and replicas which are not designed to fire fixed ammunition, or for which fixed ammunition is not commercially available.

9. Inheritance whether by testamentary bequest or by the laws of intestacy, except that the person who receives or acquires said rifle or shotgun is subject to obtaining a permit as well as a certificate of registration. If the heir or legatee of the owner of such a rifle or shotgun does not qualify to possess the rifle or shotgun, the rifle or shotgun may be possessed by the heir or legatee for the purpose of sale for a period not exceeding 180 days or further limited period beyond the 180 days as may be approved by the commissioner, extensions in no event to exceed a total of 90 days.

Any New York City resident acquiring a rifle or shotgun outside the city shall make application for a permit and certificate of registration within 72 hours after bringing such weapon into the city. Pending the issuance of such permit and/or certificate the rifle or shotgun must be deposited at the nearest police precinct.

Non-residents in transit who are carrying rifles and shotguns with them are exempt from the permit and registration requirements provided they remain In New York City for only 24 hours and the rifles and shotguns are at all times unloaded and in a closed case, or in a locked automobile trunk.

Only a rifle or shotgun owner with a permit is allowed to possess ammunition suitable for the registered rifle or shotgun and is allowed to possess an ammunition feeding device for the registered rifle or shotgun, but not to exceed 5 rounds capacity.

CARRYING -- LONG GUNS

It is unlawful for a person to carry a rifle or shotgun on or about his person or in a vehicle without a permit and certificate of registration for such rifle or shotgun. A rifle or shotgun carried in a vehicle must be unloaded and not readily accessible. Rifles and shotguns carried in an automobile trunk need not be cased, but they must be unloaded.

It is unlawful to possess or carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in public. Unloaded shotguns or rifles carried or possessed in public must be completely enclosed or contained in a nontransparent carrying case...........

MISCELLANEOUS

It is unlawful to fire or discharge any gun, pistol, rifle, firing piece or other firearm in the city, except for certain premises designated by the Police.

Non-residents of New York City may apply for a rifle or shotgun permit subject to the same conditions, regulations, and requirements as residents of New York City.

It is unlawful to possess or dispose of an "assault weapon," which is defined as any semiautomatic rifle or shotgun which has one or more of the following features: folding or telescopic stock or no stock, conspicuously protruding pistol grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, barrel shroud, grenade launcher, or modification of such features, or other features determined by the police commissioner to be suitable for military and not sporting purposes. The commissioner shall by rule designate specific semiautomatic rifles or shotguns as "assault weapons." "Assault weapon" also includes any revolving shotgun or part intended to convert a rifle or shotgun into an "assault weapon." "Assault weapon" shall not include any rifle or shotgun modified to render it permanently inoperative.

It is unlawful to alter, change, remove, disfigure, obliterate or deface the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's or serial number of a rifle, shotgun or assault weapon.

SOURCES:

New York City Administrative Code sec.10-131, sec.10301, ET.SEQ.

NRA-ILA: New York City Firearms Laws

 

[manifold]

No but I did make a comment about the thread. For the past since bush was president did anyone call bush a Nazi or compare him to Hitler? Has anyone done it to obama?

It's one thing to compare a politician to Hitler. It's something else entirely to state, as if it's a fact, that a militia group is a neo-nazi organization. They might be for all I know, but I certainly wouldn't assume it based on that video.

like Nancy pelosi comment about those who opposed obamacare??


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRUx2b0ArM]Pelosi calls healthcare opponents NAZIS - YouTube[/ame]

I don't abide that either.

But are you honestly telling me you don't see a difference between political rhetoric and the assertion that this group is literally and officially a neo-nazi organization?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's one thing to compare a politician to Hitler. It's something else entirely to state, as if it's a fact, that a militia group is a neo-nazi organization. They might be for all I know, but I certainly wouldn't assume it based on that video.

like Nancy pelosi comment about those who opposed obamacare??


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGRUx2b0ArM]Pelosi calls healthcare opponents NAZIS - YouTube[/ame]

I don't abide that either.

But are you honestly telling me you don't see a difference between political rhetoric and the assertion that this group is literally and officially a neo-nazi organization?

No I never said that about the group in the video.

 

[Ernie S.]

I got a video in the third link. I found it interesting that the write up called the group far-left neo-nazis, but nothing in the video suggested that even remotely.

But whatcha gonna do?

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There is no such thing as ‘far-left’ neo-Nazis, or ‘close-left,’ for that matter.

Far-right neo-Nazis, yes.

Maybe, maybe not, but that's hardly the biggest takeaway. Why would they refer to them as Nazi's at all?

Because they favor secure borders and exercise their Constitutional rights, of course, the fascist bastids!

 

[Ernie S.]

This thread is weird. Only thing that comes to mind is whether or not 'fast & furious' was supposed to be how 'out of control' our gun laws were. Never mind the weapons were illegal, nothing else makes sense.

Nothing much has made sense to me since 1/20/09.

 

[Ernie S.]

Philadelphia permits "conceal and carry". I imagine there are a few packing heat at the protest. You'd never see that on the news though.

If they are concealed.... how would the news media know?

Um. The permit allows you to carry open as well.

Uhhh, no. r concealed carry permit does not allow open carry. A few states allow open carry, but generally, if you have a CCP and your gun is visible, you are in violation and could loose your permit.

 

[chanel]

PA does.

Open Carry - Yes, It's Legal

In Pennsylvania, persons 18 years of age and older whom are not prohibited by law from owning firearms may openly carry a handgun in plain sight with no license except in vehicles*, cities of the first class** (Philadelphia) and where prohibited specifically by statute.

Ref.: Title 18, ch.61, Subchapter A. Uniform Firearms Act & Commonwealth v. Ortiz

* Open carry in a vehicle requires a valid PA License to Carry Firearms (LTCF) or a carry license from ANY other state. Ref: Title 18 §6106

** Open carry in a city of the first class requires a valid PA LTCF or a carry license from a reciprocal state. Ref: Title 18 §6108, Title 18 §6106

Carrying concealed (with LTCF) or openly in establishments that serve alcohol is allowed in Pennsylvania.

There is no stipulation in neither the PA code nor case law that a PA LTCF holder must carry concealed. Furthermore, lawful open carry of a firearm is NOT grounds for revocation of a PA LTCF as it is neither an illegal nor dangerous act.

http://paopencarry.org/

 

[Intense]

This thread is weird. Only thing that comes to mind is whether or not 'fast & furious' was supposed to be how 'out of control' our gun laws were. Never mind the weapons were illegal, nothing else makes sense.

Nothing much has made sense to me since 1/20/09.

Yeah. I keep waiting for the alarm clock to go off.

 

[9thIDdoc]

A permit issued by the Firearms Control Section of the Police Department's License Division is required to possess a rifle or shotgun in New York City.
Makes me wonder if one must also pay a bribe to obtain a free-speech license or be accorded due process.

Persons not of good moral character.
As defined by whom? Muslims? The Black Panthers? The KKK?
"It is unlawful to possess or dispose of an "assault weapon," which is defined as any semiautomatic rifle or shotgun which has one or more of the following features: folding or telescopic stock or no stock, conspicuously protruding pistol grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, barrel shroud, grenade launcher, or modification of such features, or other features determined by the police commissioner to be suitable for military and not sporting purposes. The commissioner shall by rule designate specific semiautomatic rifles or shotguns as "assault weapons." "Assault weapon" also includes any revolving shotgun or part intended to convert a rifle or shotgun into an "assault weapon."

I'd have say that those NY folks have gone well past "reasonable" and are infringing on individual rights big-time.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

winter cant come soon enough !!!! at least they can't protest in 30 inches of snow and 0 degree weather.

Haven't they already had snow? How come they're still there?

I wonder how long the Tea Party people would last in these conditions?

Oh, now THAT's a funny thought!

They crank the heater up to 78 when it hits 60.

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There is no such thing as ‘far-left’ neo-Nazis, or ‘close-left,’ for that matter.

Far-right neo-Nazis, yes.

Are you so far left that you actually think socialists are right wing? Do you even understand the concept that Nazi is short for National Socialism? Are you so stupid and ignorant that you believe that racists are automatically right wing?

Are you so historically challenged that the Nazi movement grew out of far-right political groups in Germany? Just because it stands for National Socialism doesn't mean anything today(did you know the anti-slavery party were the REPUBLICANS? <GASP>). The Nazi's were not leftists... and they were most certainly staunchly anti-communist.

Seriously, how many times can people contradict themselves? It's every day I get called a Nazi and every other day I get called a Communist. What is it?

They were far right anti big business and anti capitalist, and merged with an anti communist group to draw laborers away form the commuinists that were also anti big business and anti capitalists.

Oops, I guess far right doesn't mean what you think it does when it is applied to Nazis in historical Germany. I guess that does prove that I actually do know a little bit about history. Imagine that.

When I start calling you either a Nazi or a Communist feel free to ask me which it is. Until then I suggest you go and whine to others about how you do not know enough about yourself to know what your beliefs are.

 

[bucs90]

…the write up called the group far-left neo-nazis…

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There is no such thing as ‘far-left’ neo-Nazis, or ‘close-left,’ for that matter.

Far-right neo-Nazis, yes.

NAZI: National SOCIALIST Party of Germany.

Since when did "SOCIALIST" become right wing, and not left?

BTW, study the Nazis. Their movement was early founded with a strong environmental "green" movement, in order to brainwash the people into the belief of environmental purity, which would lead to the idea of racial purity. They also wanted to have gov't takeover of healthcare, education, and ban private ownership of weapons. Sound familiar?