Asia's Orthographic Dilemma

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    Asia's Orthographic Dilemma

    '1. It is not, as many argue, that the characters are intrinsically well suited to Chinese, but that they generated this "suitability" themselves by forcing the language into their own characteristic mold.

    2. Linguistically speaking, the only good thing that can be said about Chinese characters is that they help solve problems which their own use has created.

    3. Reform of character-based writing is basically a zero-sum game, where changes introduced in one area lead to problems in another, until the effort falls apart because of the shortsightedness of reformers who cannot perceive that there is (no solution [italics]) within the context defined.

    4. Our position here is not that East Asians lack creativity, but that they achieved their intellectual greatness (in spite of [it.]) the character-based writing system.

    5. Under pressure to absorb international vocabulary, encouraged by new technological venues, and facilitated by English language bilingualism, the alphabet is taking its place alongside traditional orthographies in more and more applications.

    6. Viewed globally and historically, it is clear that characters are on their last legs.

    Not everyone will agree with these conclusions. I too have reservations, particularly as regards the last item. I agree in the case of Korea, but am less sure about Japan and even less sure in the case of China. It seems to me that while China's need to access the global information highway is forcing it to make practical use of pinyin, which reformers are promoting not as a replacement for characters but as a part of diagraphia, that is, a two-script policy of indefinitely long duration, opposition to alphabetic writing is so strong that it will in all likelihood severely retard the advance of pinyin even as a secondary system of writing.'
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    Technology's cutting edge it two-sided. While enhancing our ability to shape nature, technology also highlights defects in mechanisms whose limitations were not universally recognized. Progress is served in both cases.

    The present chapter explores the relationship between Chinese characters and computers -- the most recent in a millennia-old series of technical innovations for recording language. I begin by examining how well computers have fulfilled their predicted role of eliminating gaps in the ease with which alphabetic and character texts are generated and processed. The practical consequences of a large character set whose units lack a well-motivated design will be assessed as they apply to computer storage and output, and to various types of character input schemes. The result of this interplay between modern technology and one of history's oldest forms of writing will startle many.'
    (Hannas WC, Asia's Orthographic Dilemma, 1997)
     
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    what does this have to do with politics?
     
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    "The Jap" knows that it's political. "The Jap" has also been confronted with this thread topic before.:link:
     
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    It’s not political and it’s not based in reality. It’s nonsense.
     
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    We can understand "The Jap" thinking it's nonsense. Many do. "The Jap" has not read the book so can't comment with any credibility on its contents in front of the people. Pretending not to understand is compromised when others who know their mother tongue will be processing it on this thread without having to prove anything. The politics are real. The title of the book is the political challenge. Suggested reading is Zizek, Enjoy Your Symptom!
     
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    “The Mick” has read more books on Linguistics than the OP has read anything, including the back of cereal boxes. The book in question is more than a decade old, and certainly not taken seriously by linguists. The OP ‘s bizarre racial motive for starting such a nonsense thread is evidenced by his laughably misplaced attempt at racial insult.
     
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    In reply to the closed thread of this title, so shall we do in this thread provide words of our own, though we have always given priority to (every word [italics]) of a quoted author when we excerpt, because it stays true to what they first intended. The threat of fascism comes in precisely with who is to decide the number of words that can be used: the block of the text in question could have been done in segments with the OP's commentary, though with the general paucity of responses to badger's posts over the years, b. takes it for granted that the author's words are more important than the OP's. That videos can be posted without an OP explanation compare to a large block of text that, should a reader actually be interested, keeps the momentum going that was first desired by the author to bring home their points.
     
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    Thread closed, has nothing to do with politics, but sounds more like a flame/bait thread
     
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