As it turns out...

Bullypulpit

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...The information used to justify the increased alert status in New York, Newark, and Washington was 3 or 4 years old. Now while this may give the terrorists info they need to carry out an attack, it was the height of irresponsibility of the Administration to tip its hand thus. It could have taken the actions needed to further harden these targets quietly. But no...they decided to blurt it out at a politically advantageous time. So much for homeland security.
 
Bullypulpit said:
...The information used to justify the increased alert status in New York, Newark, and Washington was 3 or 4 years old. Now while this may give the terrorists info they need to carry out an attack, it was the height of irresponsibility of the Administration to tip its hand thus. It could have taken the actions needed to further harden these targets quietly. But no...they decided to blurt it out at a politically advantageous time. So much for homeland security.

Wrong.
 
How exactly is this a politically expedient time? Last week, during the DNC convention, would have been much more politically expedient, because it would have drained news coverage away from the convention.
 
Bullypulpit said:
...The information used to justify the increased alert status in New York, Newark, and Washington was 3 or 4 years old. Now while this may give the terrorists info they need to carry out an attack, it was the height of irresponsibility of the Administration to tip its hand thus. It could have taken the actions needed to further harden these targets quietly. But no...they decided to blurt it out at a politically advantageous time. So much for homeland security.

Bullyshit.

Why is it some vague memo that contained little more than common knowledge should have been used to stop 9/11, but this was all a political move?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
Bullypulpit said:
...The information used to justify the increased alert status in New York, Newark, and Washington was 3 or 4 years old. Now while this may give the terrorists info they need to carry out an attack, it was the height of irresponsibility of the Administration to tip its hand thus. It could have taken the actions needed to further harden these targets quietly. But no...they decided to blurt it out at a politically advantageous time. So much for homeland security.

But then you would have chided Bush for moving too fast, without UN approval...plus, I can't seem to find this info about it being 3-4 years old...links please. Or did you just pull this one out of your ass?
 
fuzzykitten99 said:
But then you would have chided Bush for moving too fast, without UN approval...plus, I can't seem to find this info about it being 3-4 years old...links please. Or did you just pull this one out of your ass?

That baby is so cute, I almost forgot what I wanted to mention. Oh yeah, as for the info being 3-4 yrs old, I think the subject targets were mentioned ie:financial institutions ect - not specific sites (IMF) as is the case this time.
 
gop_jeff said:
How exactly is this a politically expedient time? Last week, during the DNC convention, would have been much more politically expedient, because it would have drained news coverage away from the convention.

<blockquote>"We must understand that the kind of information available to us today is the result of the president's leadership in the war against terror." - Tom Ridge</blockquote>

A political ad.
 
<center><h2><a href=http://villagevoice.com/thebushbeat/>The Attack Starts, Should we be scared? Yeah. Of what exactly? Dunno.</a></h2></center>

<blockquote>When Mayor Mike Bloomberg said Sunday that "New York City continues to be a target of choice for those who want to destroy our way of life," he wasn't talking about the Republican National Convention.

Or was he?

Of course that wasn't his intention, and we'd all be fools—especially those of us in New York City—not to take the threat of terrorism seriously.

Howard Dean, in an act of political courage, was one of the few to dare suggest publicly that politics—shocking though that may be—could just have something to do with Tom Ridge's changing New York City's "orange" alert level to, well, what appears to be a deeper, richer, scarier orange.

Dean told CNN, "It's just impossible to know how much of this is real and how much of this is politics, and I suspect there's some of both."

He was excoriated by Joe Lieberman and others for saying so, even though the nation just received a final report from the 9-11 Commission that detailed thousands of political calculations and miscalculations in the "war on terror."

No matter how real or unreal, how political or nonpolitical the Ridge move was (starting with the leaks Friday night so that a proper crescendo could be built), there's no question that protesting the Republican National Convention is going to be more difficult, because the city's going to be locked down even tighter. Any plans the protesters had for demonstrating in front of Citigroup, for instance, are probably out the window. The cops and troops now have a great excuse for the pre-emptive action they're sure to take—and are already taking.</blockquote>

Wheels within wheels boys and girls...Eliminate protesters at the RNC, and throw those who try into a deep, dark hole because they're "enemy combatants" or terrorists. The former would be by presidential fiant, the latter allowed under the USA PATRIOT Act.
 
Bullypulpit said:
<center><h2><a href=http://villagevoice.com/thebushbeat/>The Attack Starts, Should we be scared? Yeah. Of what exactly? Dunno.</a></h2></center>

<blockquote>When Mayor Mike Bloomberg said Sunday that "New York City continues to be a target of choice for those who want to destroy our way of life," he wasn't talking about the Republican National Convention.

Or was he?

Of course that wasn't his intention, and we'd all be fools—especially those of us in New York City—not to take the threat of terrorism seriously.

Howard Dean, in an act of political courage, was one of the few to dare suggest publicly that politics—shocking though that may be—could just have something to do with Tom Ridge's changing New York City's "orange" alert level to, well, what appears to be a deeper, richer, scarier orange.

Dean told CNN, "It's just impossible to know how much of this is real and how much of this is politics, and I suspect there's some of both."

He was excoriated by Joe Lieberman and others for saying so, even though the nation just received a final report from the 9-11 Commission that detailed thousands of political calculations and miscalculations in the "war on terror."

No matter how real or unreal, how political or nonpolitical the Ridge move was (starting with the leaks Friday night so that a proper crescendo could be built), there's no question that protesting the Republican National Convention is going to be more difficult, because the city's going to be locked down even tighter. Any plans the protesters had for demonstrating in front of Citigroup, for instance, are probably out the window. The cops and troops now have a great excuse for the pre-emptive action they're sure to take—and are already taking.</blockquote>

Wheels within wheels boys and girls...Eliminate protesters at the RNC, and throw those who try into a deep, dark hole because they're "enemy combatants" or terrorists. The former would be by presidential fiant, the latter allowed under the USA PATRIOT Act.

hehe - The paranoid schizoid that presumes to describe the President as "Mad as a Hatter".
 
Bullypulpit said:
<blockquote>"We must understand that the kind of information available to us today is the result of the president's leadership in the war against terror." - Tom Ridge</blockquote>

A political ad.

So the President should stop talking about what he's doing because it's "political?" Should John Kerry not talk about his voting, because that's political too??

:rolleyes:
 
Bullypulpit said:
...The information used to justify the increased alert status in New York, Newark, and Washington was 3 or 4 years old. Now while this may give the terrorists info they need to carry out an attack, it was the height of irresponsibility of the Administration to tip its hand thus. It could have taken the actions needed to further harden these targets quietly. But no...they decided to blurt it out at a politically advantageous time. So much for homeland security.


Obviously Bully doesnt read the LA times.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto.../ts_latimes/freshdetailsbackthreats&printer=1

Some of the surveillance files that triggered the nation's latest terrorism alert were reviewed and updated by Al Qaeda just months ago and dovetail with other, fresh intelligence that indicates the terrorism network remains intent on launching a major U.S. attack during the presidential election campaign, U.S. authorities said Monday.

You know if you took the time to actually look into things rather than just parroting Democrat talking points you might realize this.

Also, i would point out that the only indication that Al queda was planning to fly planes into buildings was from that was over 5 years old when 911 happened. So what?
 
Sir Evil said:
Hmmm, and if something were to happen and the admin was hush about it then they would be wrong there also! that's the problem with you Bully, it's a no win situation no matter what they do!:rolleyes:

Who was it that said if tommorrow Bush suddenly could walk on water his detractors would say it's because he can't swim?? I think it was Bill Crystal
 
Bonnie said:
Who was it that said if tommorrow Bush suddenly could walk on water his detractors would say it's because he can't swim?? I think it was Bill Crystal

Now THAT'S a good line!
 
Bonnie said:
Who was it that said if tommorrow Bush suddenly could walk on water his detractors would say it's because he can't swim?? I think it was Bill Crystal

Actually, I would suspect an sfx company under contract to the administration.
 

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