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We even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov got the HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitimacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
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But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.
That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.
Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."
Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit
(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
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"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.
The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
"In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.
For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...
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You seem to be slightly confused. Kim and Trump met because Kim needed reassurance that the U.S. Would not see his denuclearization as weakness and attack. Kim knows that without nukes and missles he is no match for both S.K. and the U.S.Maxdeath, post: 20131142It seems that they would rather have nuclear war then thank Trump for keeping one from happening.
Trumpo did not need to meet murderer KJU in a sweet bromance photo-op to end nuclear war.
If murderer KJU truly intends to unilaterally dismantle his nukes then he would be doing it. No need for the reality TV program we just witnessed in Singapore.
Why did Trumpo lower himself and America in the way he did?
/----/ That is if you can believe anything out of that oppressive dictatorship that still stones to death and beheads women for speaking too loudly.Everything you need to know about the Iran nuclear deal
What Iran agreed to:
Cutting by two-thirds, to 5,060, its centrifuges at its key processing centre in Natanz. Iran will reduce its current stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which can be processed into bomb-grade fuel, by 96 per cent to 300kg. It will also allow the International Atomic Energy Agency access to all its sites and will not build any new enrichment facilities for 15 years. This extends Iran’s breakout time – the period estimated it would take Iran to produce sufficient fissile material for one weapon – to one year.
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Not one year, but one year after 15 years. No agreement is forever. And who knows if Iran will even exist in 16 years. So this agreement means Iran will have no nuclear weapons for at least 16 years.
North Korea on the other hand........
It's not being dumb, it's just being partisan. Dishonest.OMG Could you be any dumber. There is no deal with NK yet. They have decided to talk.
Obama paid Iran to make nuclear weapons... End of storyWe even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov got the HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitimacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
[......]
But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.
That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.
Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."
Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit
(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
[......]
"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.
The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
"In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.
For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...
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/—-/ And no pathway for Trump being elected president....Kim is not going to denuclearize NK.
No indication of that happening at all.
/——/ Sure is Spanky. Two false predictions from you libtardsA fallacy of false equivalency
Try again
That's apparently what Cheeto Jesus thinks he did.You do realize that it took Reagan and Gorbachev almost three years to negotiate a nuclear treaty. It took almost two months of solid negotiations for the Iran deal. In what crazy thought process would anyone expect a complete treaty in one day or even a couple hours?
Video at this link comparing Fox news reaction to Obama suggesting negotiation with North Korea vs their reaction to tRump doing it.If Obama had held a summit, the other side would have accused him of selling out.
Trump came back with no guarantees about anything.
There is no triumph to help the GOP in the fall in this confab.
I think an argument can be made that Obama got the best he could get, given the French and Russian and Chinese had to sign onto the Iran deal. It's possible that a more unconventional and confrontational president could have gotten the "partners" to demand more by really, really threatening war. Although any war with Iran would make the Iran debacle look like a walk in the park. So maybe the neocons are just nuts. (ya think? lol)We even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov got the HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitimacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
[......]
But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.
That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.
Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."
Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit
(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
[......]
"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.
The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
"In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.
For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...
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Well Trump produced a framework for future negotiationUm, Uh, Duh..LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.
HOW was Trump's deal "a Win," especially compared to the Iran Deal?
I posted Two Links that said it wasn't.
Understand how discussion or debate works you ******* MORON?
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Yep, it is your fallacy, and you can't defend it. Your problem, not one for the good guys and gals./——/ Sure is Spanky. Two false predictions from you libtardsA fallacy of false equivalency
Try again
/——-/ “No indication of that happening at all.” that’s just your Trump hating opinion.Yep, it is your fallacy, and you can't defend it. Your problem, not one for the good guys and gals./——/ Sure is Spanky. Two false predictions from you libtardsA fallacy of false equivalency
Try again
/——/ Everyone signed except Iran. Yeah Obozo really nailed that deal,I think an argument can be made that Obama got the best he could get, given the French and Russian and Chinese had to sign onto the Iran deal. It's possible that a more unconventional and confrontational president could have gotten the "partners" to demand more by really, really threatening war. Although any war with Iran would make the Iran debacle look like a walk in the park. So maybe the neocons are just nuts. (ya think? lol)We even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov got the HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitimacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
[......]
But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.
That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.
Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."
Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit
(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
[......]
"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.
The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
"In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.
For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...
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What happens now with Iran depends a bit on Trump and trade. If he totally blows globalism out with tariffs, the US dollar may cease to the reserve currency. In that case not only are we royally fucked but Iran can trade all it wants with a nuke too.
it took nearly 12 years for the Iran deal, that Trump blew up in less than a year. But with NK, it's early days.
