Art is Pigs Too

[SeaGal]

Well the standard was non-controversial, which this clearly did not meet. Left or right it should find a private venue.

If the subject matter violated the standard then it should be removed. My question would be - if the standard was relaxed, what was the justification?

The argument surrounding the 'should it stay or should it go' is useful in highlighting the problem with censorship if the rules are applied unevenly - either emotionally or politically. The opportunity should be taken to confront the defenders with demands they've made, or support they've given, to remove items or language that they deem offensive.

 

[Iceweasel]

Well the standard was non-controversial, which this clearly did not meet. Left or right it should find a private venue.

If the subject matter violated the standard then it should be removed. My question would be - if the standard was relaxed, what was the justification?

The argument surrounding the 'should it stay or should it go' is useful in highlighting the problem with censorship if the rules are applied unevenly - either emotionally or politically. The opportunity should be taken to confront the defenders with demands they've made, or support they've given, to remove items or language that they deem offensive.

The lefties put it up and the righties took it down three times. Libs believe they have the right to offend since they are seeing life from a higher state of being. But in reality, they are just high.

 

[12icer]

Liberals have no problem infringing on others rights, it is just theirs and their pets they want protected. Your rights are not important unless you agree with them. The entire basis of any of their ideals is that ONLY the people they choose have ANY rights and that ANY means to achieve their idea is acceptable mass assault, mass destruction even mass murder and genocide. Just ask a Branch Davidian.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberals have no problem infringing on others rights, it is just theirs and their pets they want protected. Your rights are not important unless you agree with them. The entire basis of any of their ideals is that ONLY the people they choose have ANY rights and that ANY means to achieve their idea is acceptable mass assault, mass destruction even mass murder and genocide. Just ask a Branch Davidian.

...or the bakers who were given a $135,000 fine and a gag order for not baking a cake.

 

[Alex.]

Correct it is just a guaranty that your speech will not be censored in public places.

It says no such thing. Feedom of speech doesn't guarantee the right to be heard.

The right say what you need to..the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint....

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

 

[Iceweasel]

Correct it is just a guaranty that your speech will not be censored in public places.

It says no such thing. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee the right to be heard.

The right say what you need to..the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint....

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

 

[Alex.]

Correct it is just a guaranty that your speech will not be censored in public places.

It says no such thing. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee the right to be heard.

The right say what you need to..the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint....

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

Keep up with your argument I have sent a warning

 

[Iceweasel]

It says no such thing. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee the right to be heard.

The right say what you need to..the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint....

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

Keep up with your argument I have sent a warning

LOL, how old are you? You are wrong and I proved it.

 

[Alex.]

The right say what you need to..the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint....

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

Keep up with your argument I have sent a warning

LOL, how old are you? You are wrong and I proved it.

Nope you are just a desperate person who needs to feel like they have a won their argument. I am not here to assuage your fragile ego.

 

[Iceweasel]

There's no right to cry fire in a crowded theater. Your rights stop where the other guy's begins.

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

Keep up with your argument I have sent a warning

LOL, how old are you? You are wrong and I proved it.

Nope you are just a desperate person who needs to feel like they have a won their argument. I am not here to assuage your fragile ego.

Ego has nothing to do with it. If you were right the painting would still be there.

 

[Alex.]

That is bullshit.....the fire in a theater is another issue, not what you cited.

You said speech will not be censored in public and I gave an example of how it censored in public.

Keep up with your argument I have sent a warning

LOL, how old are you? You are wrong and I proved it.

Nope you are just a desperate person who needs to feel like they have a won their argument. I am not here to assuage your fragile ego.

Ego has nothing to do with it. If you were right the painting would still be there.

You are a total jackass who has cognitive problems. Please ask someone else to play or explain things to you.

 

[12icer]

ALEX posted>>>>> "You are a total jackass who has cognitive problems. Please ask someone else to play or explain things to you."
SO How about?
First off YOU are the jackass, because it seems liberals like you have a problem with actual FACTS and secondly the fact is a white person has no freedom of speech otherwise he would not be able to be fired by his employer for using ONE word that is in the dictionary, no matter how he used it that word can l get him or her fired from many jobs. I would not fire a person for using any word, but I would fire someone for causing a problem by saying they were offended by anything said EXCEPT for actual sexual harassment by either sex. That is a prime example Now what?

 

[Alex.]

ALEX posted>>>>> "You are a total jackass who has cognitive problems. Please ask someone else to play or explain things to you."
SO How about?
First off YOU are the jackass, because it seems liberals like you have a problem with actual FACTS and secondly the fact is a white person has no freedom of speech otherwise he would not be able to be fired by his employer for using ONE word that is in the dictionary, no matter how he used it that word can l get him or her fired from many jobs. I would not fire a person for using any word, but I would fire someone for causing a problem by saying they were offended by anything said EXCEPT for actual sexual harassment by either sex. That is a prime example Now what?

I am not a liberal...now talk to Iceweasel.

 

[oldsoul]

There are the many many paintings hanging on the wall of the long tunnel that runs between the US Capital building and the House offices. One of them has gotten quite a bit of attention lately. Indeed, the painting has been taken off the wall and hung back on the wall at least three times since yesterday.

So annoyed about it, “ Louisiana Democratic Rep. Cedric Richmond, the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, threatened the Republicans who have been taking the painting down: “We may just have to kick somebody’s ass and stop them.”[…]

Never mind that kicking ass over a painting depicting violence is sadly ironic. Let’s talk about art and free speech and this painting. The painting, which won first prize in a high school art contest, contains many images: a dove, a crow, a Beauty Shop, a peace sign, the St Louis arch, to name a few. There is a lot of symbolism to consider in this painting.

The images that stand out to the people complaining about the painting are the police officers with pig heads. Not subtle. No wonder it grabs the eye. What also grabs the eye in this painting is a figure, a black man holding scales and wearing a graduation cap, suggestive of Mike Brown, hanging like Christ on a cross.

The painting has apparently been hanging on the tunnel wall for some six months. Why no one has noticed it and complained till now is unclear. What is clear is that we need to talk about art and free speech- again. People are offended because depicting police officers with pig heads is disrespectful to police officers. Is that a good enough reason to take the painting down? Surely there are other paintings on that wall full of paintings that disrespect somebody or something else too. Suppose there was a picture depicting cops with halos and Mike Brown with devil horns, that would be pretty offensive, wouldn’t it? Would there be demands to take that one down? Or would free speech in art prevail?

Even if it infuriates some people it is still free speech. Remember Piss Christ? That crucifix immersed in a glass of urine offered as art offended and outraged many Christians. Did discussions that flowed from Piss Christ do anything to enhance the relationship between Christians and those that think Christ belongs in urine?

Can any good come from talking about Ferguson again? Will cops and blacks come to understand each other better through the images in this teenager’s painting? Maybe. And maybe Morgan Freeman was right when he said, we can stop racism if we stop talking about it and deal with each other as fellow human beings.


Let the kid’s painting hang there.






http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cops-as-pigs-painting-stolen-returned-again/article/2611376


How do we stop racism? Actor Morgan Freeman says: "Stop talking about it"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Painting in Capitol depicting police as pigs becomes a political football, with California politicians among the players

I am an artist, I have drawing of a blind deaf and dumb monkey with his hands up, with a knife in his back I call it "Black on black crime, or political correctness". Nobody wants to see it.

Guess I'm "nobody" then. LOL