Army Desertion Rates Skyrocket

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    Army desertion rate highest since 1980

    Army Desertion Rates Rise 80 Percent Since Invasion of Iraq in 2003

    AP News

    Nov 16, 2007 18:41 EST

    Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80 percent increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

    While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam War, when the draft was in effect, they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42 percent jump since last year.

    "We're asking a lot of soldiers these days," said Roy Wallace, director of plans and resources for Army personnel. "They're humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I'm sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier."

    The Army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for longer than 30 days. The soldier is then discharged as a deserter.

    According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year.

    The increase comes as the Army continues to bear the brunt of the war demands with many soldiers serving repeated, lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military leaders — including Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey — have acknowledged that the Army has been stretched nearly to the breaking point by the combat. Efforts are under way to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps to lessen the burden and give troops more time off between deployments.







    http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Army_desertion_rate_highest_since_1_11162007.html
     
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    From the link:

     
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    I wouldn't expect anything less from a branch that let's the officers do their fighting. :eusa_dance:
     
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    Already posted and as for SKYROCKETING.... I suggest you actually read the piece, it is still less than one percent , now instead of 4 people per one thousand deserting we have 9, yup that is sure a HUGE number. Further MORE people make it through the first 6 months of training then ever before so it is even less of a problem. But do play that MSM bent, I notice you like to cite them when you agree with them and then vilify them the rest of the time.
     
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    If the officers did more fighting and less posturing there'd be much less war and casualties, don't you think?


    Oliver North and GWBUSH prove that analogy enough on it's on, don't you think?
     
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    People join the military for lots of reasons. Even within one person, we can probably find more than one reason for enlisting, with these reasons having different weights for different people.

    It is undeniable that there are some people who join the military for mainly personal reasons: it seems like a good career choice; it represents an escape from an intolerable personal situation; it is a way of proving something to oneself.

    During peacetime, military service will be challenging enough. But during a war, one's resolve is tested. People who joined mainly as a way to get money for college, or to learn a skill, are suddenly faced with the reality that makes the military different from every other job in the world, even dangerous jobs: you are not allowed to quit. You are not even allowed to decline an assignment.

    For some people, this is too much. Those whose reasons for enlisting were purely personal, may find that they really do not want to risk their lives.

    Also: the amount of support for the war in which they are called to serve will be a big factor in how they feel about their service.

    It cannot be denied that the majority of American people are not enthusiastic about this war. Even the ones who supported it, showed little inclination to enlist and put their own bodies on the line.

    So it is not surprising that desertion rates are up.

    But liberals should not be too quick to trumpet this figure about, as proof that the war should not have been fought.

    A war can be a just war, and worth fighting, and yet see high desertion rates.

    What American war was more worth fighting, than the Civil War, which held together the Union, and ended slavery. Yet there were 200,000 deserters from the Union Armies during that war. (Details here .) No doubt pro-Confederate agitators in the North were pleased about this, and publicized the fact of desertion as an argument that the war should not have been fought in the first place, and should be ended immediately, etc.

    Thank God they were ignored then. (And can you imagine the outcry, should President Bush even suggest applying the penalty that President Lincoln applied to deserters?)
     
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    Pretty good post, Doug. The desertion rates are not 'skyrocketing', that was debunked in several threads. However, you are correct about wartime being a test, re-enlistment rates are way up, while recruiting remains difficult. However their sacrifices are acknowledged by those who care:

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    Give it a rest Captain obvious!:shock:
     
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    In response to the inititial post: And re-enlistment percentages are at an all-time high!

    Of course there will always be the weak who eventually become deserters. They should be put in the Brig for the false loyalty they promised to the country. MAKES ME SICK!
     
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    I doubt that everyone who goes AWOL is weak and cowardly. That's probably what Bush fans would like to believe.

    The fact is, there are probably many reasons soldiers go AWOL. Not the least of which, they don't want to fight in your illegal and immoral war. Especially after having served one or two tours already. If you want to toss them all into jail, you're entitled to your opinion. As for me: I'd look at it on a case by case basis, using existing adminstrative and judicial tools.

    I don't think Jesus would have fought in your immoral war. I think he would have gone AWOL. Doesn't make him a coward.
     

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