Arizonans are Nazis, and Other Lazy Rhetorical Devices from City Council

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No matter how right you are, comparing your opponents to the Nazis is always wrong.

That didn't stop Ald. Danny Solis from drawing an unseemly comparison between Arizona and the Third Reich during Wednesday’s emotional City Council debate on a resolution to boycott Arizona because of its new illegal immigration law.

“In the early stages of Nazi Germany, there was a law that identified particular groups of people," Solis said in criticizing the Arizona immigration law. "This law has identified a particular group of people. This law is evil.”
The resolution, which passed 46-3, was sponsored by four Latino aldermen: George Cardenas, Ariel Reboyras, Ray Suarez and Ricardo Munoz. One by one they condemned the law as an attack on their people, but none used a comparison as incendiary as Solis.

Ald. Roberto Maldonado accused Arizona of passing a law “to legalize racial profiling, which is a politically correct way of legalizing racial discrimination.”

And Ald. George Cardenas said Arizona’s law has divided the country -- 70 percent of Americans approve, but 80 percent of Hispanics oppose. That opposition led them to pass the symbolic resolution.

“We’re not telling another state what to do,” said Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno. “We are reacting to what another state has done. We are responding to racially discriminatory laws in one of our states.”

The only three alderman in opposition were James Balcer, Brian Doherty and Michael Zalewski.

Balcer represents Bridgeport, which once literally built a wall -- the Dan Ryan Expressway -- to keep out minorities. While noting that 111 immigrants have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said that “those who have stood in line [to emigrate] must not be jumped over” and argued that the boycott would only hurt the poor people in Arizona: the hospitality workers, the maids, the gardeners.”

Brian Doherty, the Council’s only Republican, noted that his parents were immigrants -- from Ireland -- then told the story of a Kenyan gang leader who was arrested 26 times in Chicago after his visa expired, and finally ordered the murder of a rival.

“I do not believe that we should announce a boycott of a sovereign state for handling problems that are different from ours,” Doherty said.
Even if we do, we shouldn’t call them Nazis.

Arizonans are Nazis, and Other Lazy Rhetorical Devices from City Council | NBC Chicago

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It is amazing how many times these Latin Americans use the word "nazi" when Americans defend their borders.

Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil) and have no idea what a real nazi was because they hid behind their borders and refused to fight them.

:lol:
 
Godwins law:

1. As a conversation goes on, the chance that Nazi's will be brought up approaches 100%

2. The side that brings up nazis usually is the one that is losing.

Also know as agrumentum ad hitlerum.
 
No matter how right you are, comparing your opponents to the Nazis is always wrong.
That didn't stop Ald. Danny Solis from drawing an unseemly comparison between Arizona and the Third Reich during Wednesday’s emotional City Council debate on a resolution to boycott Arizona because of its new illegal immigration law.

“In the early stages of Nazi Germany, there was a law that identified particular groups of people," Solis said in criticizing the Arizona immigration law. "This law has identified a particular group of people. This law is evil.”
The resolution, which passed 46-3, was sponsored by four Latino aldermen: George Cardenas, Ariel Reboyras, Ray Suarez and Ricardo Munoz. One by one they condemned the law as an attack on their people, but none used a comparison as incendiary as Solis.

Ald. Roberto Maldonado accused Arizona of passing a law “to legalize racial profiling, which is a politically correct way of legalizing racial discrimination.”

And Ald. George Cardenas said Arizona’s law has divided the country -- 70 percent of Americans approve, but 80 percent of Hispanics oppose. That opposition led them to pass the symbolic resolution.

“We’re not telling another state what to do,” said Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno. “We are reacting to what another state has done. We are responding to racially discriminatory laws in one of our states.”

The only three alderman in opposition were James Balcer, Brian Doherty and Michael Zalewski.

Balcer represents Bridgeport, which once literally built a wall -- the Dan Ryan Expressway -- to keep out minorities. While noting that 111 immigrants have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said that “those who have stood in line [to emigrate] must not be jumped over” and argued that the boycott would only hurt the poor people in Arizona: the hospitality workers, the maids, the gardeners.”

Brian Doherty, the Council’s only Republican, noted that his parents were immigrants -- from Ireland -- then told the story of a Kenyan gang leader who was arrested 26 times in Chicago after his visa expired, and finally ordered the murder of a rival.

“I do not believe that we should announce a boycott of a sovereign state for handling problems that are different from ours,” Doherty said.
Even if we do, we shouldn’t call them Nazis.

Arizonans are Nazis, and Other Lazy Rhetorical Devices from City Council | NBC Chicago

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It is amazing how many times these Latin Americans use the word "nazi" when Americans defend their borders.

Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil) and have no idea what a real nazi was because they hid behind their borders and refused to fight them.

:lol:

It's the popular thing to do.

The hippies turned thier backs on the Greatest Generation, WW2 Vets are few and far between. So first hand knowledge is fading and the people that should have listened to the stories were busy getting high.

So calling someone a commie or a nazi is like calling someone an asshole. It has little meaning since the user lacks the intelect to describe his feelings.

AZ wants to protect it's people from criminals by making it harder for criminals to live in their state. They are not taking them off to be murdered.

Libs are just screwed up in the head.
 
Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil) and have no idea what a real nazi was because they hid behind their borders and refused to fight them.

:lol:

*cough-ignorant-ahem*

List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*achoo-readingcomprehentionchallenged-excuseme*

The Medal of Honor was created during the American Civil War and is the highest military decoration presented by the United States government to a member of its armed forces

You have to be an American. He is clearly talking about the countries that stayed out.
 
How hypocritical is the right wing media?

This hypocritical


24 Hour Nazi Party People - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/24/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

SAme set of BIG LIES repeated over and over and over again.

And many of you people fall for this?

I don't think most of you are falling for it, I think most of you approve of it.

Jon Stewart is a talented comedian...a very funny and entertaining guy. The only thing funnier than Stewart is intelligent folks like you getting your political perspective from ....a comedian.

What I can't figure out is how you passed up Danny Kaye as your mentor???

 
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Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil) and have no idea what a real nazi was because they hid behind their borders and refused to fight them.

:lol:

*cough-ignorant-ahem*

List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*achoo-readingcomprehentionchallenged-excuseme*

The Medal of Honor was created during the American Civil War and is the highest military decoration presented by the United States government to a member of its armed forces

You have to be an American. He is clearly talking about the countries that stayed out.

maybe he was speaking of countries, but that isn't what he SAID. He said that Latin Americans were cowardly and didn't participate in the World Wars
 

*achoo-readingcomprehentionchallenged-excuseme*

The Medal of Honor was created during the American Civil War and is the highest military decoration presented by the United States government to a member of its armed forces

You have to be an American. He is clearly talking about the countries that stayed out.

maybe he was speaking of countries, but that isn't what he SAID. He said that Latin Americans were cowardly and didn't participate in the World Wars

That's not what he said at all.

"Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)"

That's what he said.

Is Brazil an American person that went to war or is it a Latin American country.
 
GodwinsLaw.jpg
 
*achoo-readingcomprehentionchallenged-excuseme*

The Medal of Honor was created during the American Civil War and is the highest military decoration presented by the United States government to a member of its armed forces

You have to be an American. He is clearly talking about the countries that stayed out.

maybe he was speaking of countries, but that isn't what he SAID. He said that Latin Americans were cowardly and didn't participate in the World Wars

That's not what he said at all.

"Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)"

That's what he said.

Is Brazil an American person that went to war or is it a Latin American country.

It is amazing how many times these Latin Americans use the word "nazi" when Americans defend their borders. Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)

so... every Latin American COUNTRY except Brazil has called Arizona's law Nazi? Really?!
 
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maybe he was speaking of countries, but that isn't what he SAID. He said that Latin Americans were cowardly and didn't participate in the World Wars

That's not what he said at all.

"Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)"

That's what he said.

Is Brazil an American person that went to war or is it a Latin American country.

It is amazing how many times these Latin Americans use the word "nazi" when Americans defend their borders. Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)

so... every Latin American COUNTRY except Brazil has called Arizona's law Nazi? Really?!

*sigh*

So I proved your initial accusation wrong.

but instead of admitting it or atleast moving on, you come up with some more BS.

shame, I thought you were one of the sharper libs on the board.

guess I was wrong
 
That's not what he said at all.

"Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)"

That's what he said.

Is Brazil an American person that went to war or is it a Latin American country.

It is amazing how many times these Latin Americans use the word "nazi" when Americans defend their borders. Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil)

so... every Latin American COUNTRY except Brazil has called Arizona's law Nazi? Really?!

*sigh*

So I proved your initial accusation wrong.

but instead of admitting it or atleast moving on, you come up with some more BS.

shame, I thought you were one of the sharper libs on the board.

guess I was wrong

Moving on... the Nazi comparison is rather cliche. A more intellectual comparison would be to the policies of Santa Anna :cool:
 
How hypocritical is the right wing media?

This hypocritical


24 Hour Nazi Party People - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/24/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

SAme set of BIG LIES repeated over and over and over again.

And many of you people fall for this?

I don't think most of you are falling for it, I think most of you approve of it.

Jon Stewart is a talented comedian...a very funny and entertaining guy. The only thing funnier than Stewart is intelligent folks like you getting your political perspective from ....a comedian.

What I can't figure out is how you passed up Danny Kaye as your mentor???



but, PC....

we don't GET OUR political perspectives from him...

(just like most conservatives do NOT GET THEIR political perspectives from ann coulter or rush limbaugh)


jon stewart has a humorous way of stating what most of us ALREADY THINK

or...
he is able to humorously state CLEARLY what many of us already feel/think/believe but can't state as well or humorously....(or as clearly)

I agree with a lot of what stuart says but I certainly don't need him to state it for me....

just like most conservatives do NOT need limbaugh to tell them what to think...

he merely states clearly/humorously what they already believe

btw....

limbaugh says a lot of things that I agree with....;

government is TOO Big
taxes are TOO high
people should NOT be minding other peoples business....


where limbaugh and I part company is when he adds...
"liberals are the enemy"
"liberals hate god"
"liberals want America to lose"
"it's ok to HATE liberals...."
 
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The proper descriptor is fascist.

Fascism is authoritarian government headed by a tryrant with or without all that messy racial nonsense the German fascists included in their version of it.

And lots and lots and lots of you folks here, are, whether you understand it or not, basically devotees of fascism.

That's one of the reasons so many of you cling to your childish POVs of politics by personality cult, incidently.

You've been mislead into thinking that the POTUS is a king of sorts, and that by changing the head of state you've really changed something important.
 
Radio pundit Michael Savage once said that modern liberalism is a form of insanity. I didn't agree with him but I'm begining to wonder. Why would liberals agree with radical hispanics who advocate open borders? No country in the world has open borders. The very idea of open borders is insane. Are liberals confused by their emotions or are they victims of sub-standard education or maybe hatred for the Country? People who illegally enter the United States are criminals.
 
The proper descriptor is fascist.

Fascism is authoritarian government headed by a tryrant with or without all that messy racial nonsense the German fascists included in their version of it.

And lots and lots and lots of you folks here, are, whether you understand it or not, basically devotees of fascism.

That's one of the reasons so many of you cling to your childish POVs of politics by personality cult, incidently.

You've been mislead into thinking that the POTUS is a king of sorts, and that by changing the head of state you've really changed something important.

1. Palingenetic ultranationalism is a theory concerning generic fascism formulated by British political theorist Roger Griffin. The key elements are that fascism can be defined by its core myth, namely that of "national rebirth" — palingenesis. (Palingenesis is the concept of mythic rebirth from the ashes, embodied by the Phoenix. Palingenetic ultranationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Stanley Payne's work, which offers a "typological definition" of fascism:
a. Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state based not merely on traditional principles or models
b. Organization of some new kind of regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure, whether called national corporatist, national socialist, or national syndicalist
c. Specific espousal of an idealist, voluntarist creed, normally involving the attempt to realize a new form of modern, self-determined, secular cultured. Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia
e. Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violencef. Exaltation of youth above other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation

g. Specific tendency toward an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree initially elective7
Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 7.

3. Emilio Gentile: A mass movement, that combines different classes, but is predominantly of the middle classes, which sees itself as having a mission of national regeneration, is in a state of war with its adversaries and seeks a monopoly of power by using terror, parliamentary tactics, and compromise to create a new regime, destroying democracy. Stanley Payne, Fascism: Comparison and Definition (Madison: University of Wisconsin Press, 1980), p. 5 n.6

4. Fascism is a religion of the state. It is totalitarian in that it assumes everything is political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is defined as the enemy. American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism. Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, p. 23

5. The popular meaning of fascism is controlled by the left, so its use appears as a cudgel to beat political opponents, as in the following versions:

a. Al Gore and the environmentalists imply fascism when they compare global-warming skeptics to Holocaust deniers.
b. Hollywood uses the term to mean ‘anything liberals don’t like.’
c. On NBC’s ‘West Wing’ support for school choice was labeled ‘fascist’.
d. Charlie Rangel claimed that the GOP’s 1994 Contract With America was more extreme than Nazism.
e. In 2000 President Clinton called the Texas GOP platform a ‘fascist tract.’
f. “…some on the left are dusting off the political vocabulary of the 1920's and 30's to describe policies of the Bush administration… ”The Latest Obscenity Has Seven Letters - NYTimes.com
g. NYTimes reporter Chris Hedges book: “American Fascists: The Christian Right…”
h. “Behind Israel's Neo-Nazi Violence” TIME

So, friend Techy, it appears that the characteristics identify, not the right, but the left, and this administration specifically.
 
Considering that the cowardly Latin American stayed out of both World Wars (except Brazil) and have no idea what a real nazi was because they hid behind their borders and refused to fight them.

:lol:

*cough-ignorant-ahem*

List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*achoo-readingcomprehentionchallenged-excuseme*

The Medal of Honor was created during the American Civil War and is the highest military decoration presented by the United States government to a member of its armed forces

You have to be an American. He is clearly talking about the countries that stayed out.

Can you find any MEXICAN ARMY vets that fought the NAZIS during WW2? You can't because they didn't involve themselves in WW2. Mexico did take tons of equipment that could have been used by real soldiers fighting the enemy though. In many ways, you could say that Mexico HELPED the Nazis by taking that equipment away that could have gone to REAL SOLDIERS fighting the Nazis instead of a phony Mexican Army that took a 4 year siesta.
 
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The proper descriptor is fascist.

Fascism is authoritarian government headed by a tryrant with or without all that messy racial nonsense the German fascists included in their version of it.

And lots and lots and lots of you folks here, are, whether you understand it or not, basically devotees of fascism.

That's one of the reasons so many of you cling to your childish POVs of politics by personality cult, incidently.

You've been mislead into thinking that the POTUS is a king of sorts, and that by changing the head of state you've really changed something important.

What do you call a government that encourages its people to sneak into a neighboring country and steal benefits that should actually feed the poor of that country?
 

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