Arizona law backfires

[rdean]

I am so tired of seeing so called intelligent people against enforcing the U.S. federal laws regarding immigration. Let's see, this was sent to me, sorry for the caps. Many of us already know this, but apparently it has to be banged into the heads of a lot of very dense bleeding heart Americans.

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY
AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL
PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S.BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
A JOB,
A DRIVERS LICENSE,
SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
WELFARE,
FOOD STAMPS,
CREDIT CARDS,
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
FREE EDUCATION,
FREE HEALTH CARE,
A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR
LANGUAGE
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU
DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.

OH, and if you enter MEXICO Legally/illegally ............

If you LEGALLY immigrate to Mexico as a foreigner:

1. You must speak the native language
2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.
3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted in our language.
4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.
**Moreover, if you come to Mexico ILLEGALLY, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.**

BRAVO to all who support Arizona's enforcing the FEDERAL immigration laws, and anyone else who does what this Government in Washington D.C refuses to do.

Please tell me you are a Republican. Democrats just aren't as good at lying. No wonder you guys never put links. Because they don't exist.

From Section VII regarding Food Stamps:

The Food Stamp Program has three separate reporting requirements for State agencies.
First, State agencies are required to report to the INS certain individuals who are in the
country in violation of the INA (see below).

What are State agency responsibilities for verifying immigration status?

State agencies are required to verify immigration status of individuals who are applying
for food stamp benefits.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Legislation/pdfs/Non_Citizen_Guidance.pdf

Social Security for Illegal Immigrants? | FactCheck.org

-----------The Social Security Administration does NOT issue cards to illegals.

■Emergency medical care (which includes emergency labor and delivery)
■Emergency disaster relief that is provided for the short term and is not a cash payment
■Limited immunizations and testing, and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases
■Certain community programs, such as soup kitchens or crisis counseling, as specified by the Attorney General
■Limited housing or community development assistance to those already receiving it in 1996
These are the only circumstances under which illegal immigrants can lawfully receive government assistance

-------See why the right hates me. The just don't like "Facts".

 

[rdean]

Republicans don't understand that they are making their "big business" masters angry.

Why do you think big business has moved all those jobs overseas? Because they can get cheap labor and not have to pay health care or worry about worker safety. The Republican base is throwing a wrench into a well oiled machine.

Because the laws were changed in the 70's, giving corporations the same rights as individuals and removing the regulation from them. You think otherwise, you're a fool.

Our jobs have been moving overseas for a long time this law has done nothing to increase that but go ahead and keep lying about it.

70's? Then what did the conservative Court under Roberts just do?

No, don't bother. You didn't put any links. You don't even believe your own bullshit.

 

[Terral]

Hi Matters:

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Arizona businesses using Illegal Alien Foreign Nationals have 'displaced' the legal Arizona workers out of the local job market by paying 'low' wages to 10 and 20 Illegal Aliens living in one house. Now that someone 'is' willing to enforce the 'Rule of Law,' the Illegal Aliens run like hell and create a labor vacuum for the interim period required for 'legal' workers to reenter the local labor market.

The people whining about "We Need Our Illegal Aliens!," are the unscrupulous employers that created the problem in the local job market in the first place. These people have been cutting costs and cutting corners and cutting 'legal' workers out of the equation to undercut the competition and increase their bottom line. Now that Arizona 'is' willing to enforce the employment laws already on the books, then these unscrupulous employers have to relearn how to play by the rules like the legitimate employers that 'do' care about their American Workers.

Every American Employer picking around real 'legal' American Workers should be thrown into jail and lose their business license FOR LIFE. Period. That means everyone is forced to play by the same set of rules on a level playing field where 'Americans' earn an honest living wage.

When you hear anyone whining about the need for their Illegal Aliens, this the dishonest employer wanting to continue gaming the system to increase his bottom line; no matter if he must fire every American Worker to make room for the cheap workers from his personal 20-Million-Man Illegal Alien Labor Pool ...

GL,

Terral

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I am so tired of seeing so called intelligent people against enforcing the U.S. federal laws regarding immigration. Let's see, this was sent to me, sorry for the caps. Many of us already know this, but apparently it has to be banged into the heads of a lot of very dense bleeding heart Americans.

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD
LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM
AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY
AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL
PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S.BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET
A JOB,
A DRIVERS LICENSE,
SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
WELFARE,
FOOD STAMPS,
CREDIT CARDS,
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
FREE EDUCATION,
FREE HEALTH CARE,
A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR
LANGUAGE
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU
DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.

OH, and if you enter MEXICO Legally/illegally ............

If you LEGALLY immigrate to Mexico as a foreigner:

1. You must speak the native language
2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed.
3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted in our language.
4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home.
**Moreover, if you come to Mexico ILLEGALLY, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.**

BRAVO to all who support Arizona's enforcing the FEDERAL immigration laws, and anyone else who does what this Government in Washington D.C refuses to do.

Please tell me you are a Republican. Democrats just aren't as good at lying. No wonder you guys never put links. Because they don't exist.

From Section VII regarding Food Stamps:

The Food Stamp Program has three separate reporting requirements for State agencies.
First, State agencies are required to report to the INS certain individuals who are in the
country in violation of the INA (see below).

What are State agency responsibilities for verifying immigration status?

State agencies are required to verify immigration status of individuals who are applying
for food stamp benefits.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Legislation/pdfs/Non_Citizen_Guidance.pdf

Social Security for Illegal Immigrants? | FactCheck.org

-----------The Social Security Administration does NOT issue cards to illegals.

■Emergency medical care (which includes emergency labor and delivery)
■Emergency disaster relief that is provided for the short term and is not a cash payment
■Limited immunizations and testing, and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases
■Certain community programs, such as soup kitchens or crisis counseling, as specified by the Attorney General
■Limited housing or community development assistance to those already receiving it in 1996
These are the only circumstances under which illegal immigrants can lawfully receive government assistance

-------See why the right hates me. The just don't like "Facts".

A CIS (Center for Immigration Studies.)report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion and a $2.5 billion figure for Medicaid.
This is from a 2004 report, I'm sure the numbers are much higher today .
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf

 

[Quantum Windbag]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Does this mean you support the right of a business to ignore the laws they do not like, including the federal law that criminalizes the hiring of illegal aliens, and the fact that they do not pay taxes by employing illegals? No payroll, Social Security, workers comp, or unemployment insurance worries when businesses break a law. By all means, let the illegals in and give them all jobs, it will break the federal government faster than anything else I can think of.

 

[syrenn]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Does this mean you support the right of a business to ignore the laws they do not like, including the federal law that criminalizes the hiring of illegal aliens, and the fact that they do not pay taxes by employing illegals? No payroll, Social Security, workers comp, or unemployment insurance worries when businesses break a law. By all means, let the illegals in and give them all jobs, it will break the federal government faster than anything else I can think of.

A large problem is that many of them are paying taxes. They are just using STOLEN SS numbers.

 

[HUGGY]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

If the Arizona law is racist in your opinion, is federal law even more so since federal agents require no probable cause to question any individual about his or her immigration status?

And if so, does that make President Obama racist-in-chief?

Did Obama promote and sign the current federal immigration law?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Does this mean you support the right of a business to ignore the laws they do not like, including the federal law that criminalizes the hiring of illegal aliens, and the fact that they do not pay taxes by employing illegals? No payroll, Social Security, workers comp, or unemployment insurance worries when businesses break a law. By all means, let the illegals in and give them all jobs, it will break the federal government faster than anything else I can think of.

A large problem is that many of them are paying taxes. They are just using STOLEN SS numbers.

Not as many as you think. Businesses that hire illegal aliens will keep the SS cards on file in case ICE walks in and looks, but they don't pay the taxes to the IRS so that they don't catch the fact that 1 person is working more than 1 job.

 

[alkin]

hopefully they get rid of this law, completely unethical

 

[xotoxi]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Any business that knowingly hires illegals should be shut down.

 

[mudwhistle]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

Blogs are a great source for valid information.

Not really.

Maybe all of the Libs and illegals will flee the state and it will be an improvement.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Arizona Anti-immigration laws unnesesary - CNN iReport

Yeap it is two years old and a reaction to a tuff law on employers of immigrants.

The new law has nothing to do with stopping employers from employing immigrants because this law is already in place.

The new law is designed to go after the non working family members of the legal workers I guess.

If all the illegals who were seeking work left then who is being rousted out by the new bill?

Sec. 7, Paragraph A of SB 1070:

An employer shall not knowingly employ an unauthorized alien. If, in the case when an employer uses a contract, subcontract or other independent contractor agreement to obtain the labor of an alien in this state, the employer knowingly contracts with an unauthorized alien or with a person who employs or contracts with an unauthorized alien to perform the labor, the employer violates this subsection.

How hard do you actually have to work to be wrong this much?

By the way, I don't believe SB 1070 has taken effect yet, so how can it have possibly backfired before it even starts?

 

[Angelhair]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

This is not a backlash - it's simply proof that many employers are breaking the law by hiring illegals. Of course they miss them, they pay them peanuts and like to see big numbers in their profits. Hire the unemployed american and pay them the decent wage that by law they are entitled to as AMERICANS.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Republicans don't understand that they are making their "big business" masters angry.

Why do you think big business has moved all those jobs overseas? Because they can get cheap labor and not have to pay health care or worry about worker safety. The Republican base is throwing a wrench into a well oiled machine.

would that be the same "masters" that your people work for Dean?....the same "masters" who tell the Democratic party how high to jump?.....just askin.....

 

[Cecilie1200]

hopefully they get rid of this law, completely unethical

You mean SB 1070? What's unethical about it?

 

[mudwhistle]

hopefully they get rid of this law, completely unethical

You mean SB 1070? What's unethical about it?

It might just work.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Arizona Anti-immigration laws unnesesary - CNN iReport

Yeap it is two years old and a reaction to a tuff law on employers of immigrants.

The new law has nothing to do with stopping employers from employing immigrants because this law is already in place.

The new law is designed to go after the non working family members of the legal workers I guess.

If all the illegals who were seeking work left then who is being rousted out by the new bill?

Who said all the illegal aliens left?

You should try reading the law before you make uninformed comments about it.

she cant do that LL....then she would know the truth of the matter....cant expect that from...."TRUTH MATTERS".....it would be like Rdean distiguishing between a RIGHT-Winger and a Moderate Republican....just is not in her mindset....

 

[BolshevikHunter]

AMERICAblog News: Arizona businesses miss their illegal workers

More drivel from the mentally deranged joke, TruthScatters. ~BH

 

[Harry Dresden]

Please tell me you are a Republican. Democrats just aren't as good at lying. No wonder you guys never put links. Because they don't exist.

From Section VII regarding Food Stamps:

The Food Stamp Program has three separate reporting requirements for State agencies.
First, State agencies are required to report to the INS certain individuals who are in the
country in violation of the INA (see below).

What are State agency responsibilities for verifying immigration status?

State agencies are required to verify immigration status of individuals who are applying
for food stamp benefits.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Legislation/pdfs/Non_Citizen_Guidance.pdf

Social Security for Illegal Immigrants? | FactCheck.org

-----------The Social Security Administration does NOT issue cards to illegals.

■Emergency medical care (which includes emergency labor and delivery)
■Emergency disaster relief that is provided for the short term and is not a cash payment
■Limited immunizations and testing, and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases
■Certain community programs, such as soup kitchens or crisis counseling, as specified by the Attorney General
■Limited housing or community development assistance to those already receiving it in 1996
These are the only circumstances under which illegal immigrants can lawfully receive government assistance

-------See why the right hates me. The just don't like "Facts".

BULLSHIT.....they give food stamps and aid to Illegals every fucking day right where i am at Dean......the guy living next door....Illegal....Hernia operation....he wants to thank you for generously paying for it Dean....he already thanked me....but i told him you and a bunch of your Far-Left friends were the ones who paid for it.....and will help him again should he need something else done....his reply.."ONLY IN AMERICA"....... In California and some other states, the federal prohibition on benefits to immigrants has been replaced with state-only funding. Illegal immigrants are/ can receive emergency Medicaid and the government funds health clinics that give care on an income adjusted rate, often free.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Did Obama promote and sign the current federal immigration law?

do you know what the President and 96% of the dildos in DC will say to that Hug?......WHAT Immigration Law?....