ARIZONA--infringes on Free Speech--Protest we'll seize your property.

[Vandalshandle]

If this were to become law, I could peacefully attend a protest, only to find that, unknown to me, some guy had decided in advance to set fire to a billboard; and simply because of my presence, could have my property confiscated. You don't have to have a law degree to recognize that is a violation of my free speech.

If you had a law degree you would know that any action you take in a group makes every person in the group responsible for that action. Complicity, is the term. The action taken is at the discretion of the person who charges the arrested people. In fact anyone involved in the planning of the act can also be charged as a codefendant.

I just sent a message to the SC, telling them to dust off that empty chair, because you are on your way! As for me, I am probably not qualified, having only completed 1 year of law school...

 

[oreo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

Regardless of this law the point is that you don't have to use violence to express your opinions.
Violence is always bad (unless you're defending your own life or sombebody else's life)

Everyone agrees with that, no violence or property damage. But the law is written so vaguely it is inclusive of peaceful protesters--and I think that Arizona state legislators wrote this bill with the intent to do just that. To infringe and or limit free speech.

It will be struck down by a Federal District court judge because of the way it is written.

Oreo, you know this isn't a law, right? There is nothing to strike down because it has not passed. Damn, you are one slow cookie.

If the governor signs this bill into law it will be struck down immediately. The point is there are a lot of Republican legislators out there that have no business being in their seats. Arizona has a long history of doing this including writing anti-gay bills, abortion bills, paid protester bills, immigration bills etc. etc. etc. They put the taxpayers at risk for major law suits every time they do it. This is all over the place, everyone knows about it. It's even all over Facebook. They only embarrass their constituents.

 

[Correll]

The republican president has appeared in porno films, is on his third marriage to a woman who poses nude, and talks about grabbing women by the pussy.

Republican values

Wow. YOu mean you suddenly realized that the Religious Right did not get their way this time?

This just hit you NOW?!

Trump is the religious right, they voted for him overwhelmingly. No morals yet yeah we actually care about god and stuff. What a bunch of hypocrites lol, the religious right is a joke, basically a scam now

Trump is not the Religious Right.

He did reach out to them and made some decent points about why he would be better than Hillary, a very low bar, but I'm sure they are not enthused about him as a role model for their children.


Your attempt to make hay out of this is merely you showing that you have no clue about the role the RR has in the GOP.

No no--Evangelicals kicked their favorite Ted Cruz to the curb for Donald Trump.

I've heard no such reports. Link please.

They are fake Christians and the only time they bring up Christianity is when they want to make a political or social point that they favor. They picked and voted for the most anti value Christian candidate in the bunch. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Mike Huckabee the biggest hypocrite of all.

Meaningless swill.

What Christian could vote for a candidate that wrote in his book: That his personal Viet Nam was sleeping around with married women and avoiding STD's? You had white pastors all over this country praising Trump's win. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They've lost all credibility.
Draft-Dodger Trump Said Sleeping Around Was My ‘Personal Vietnam’....'

A christian who wanted a pro-life supreme court and a president who was not actively hostile to them.

 

[oreo]

The republican president has appeared in porno films, is on his third marriage to a woman who poses nude, and talks about grabbing women by the pussy.

Republican values

Wow. YOu mean you suddenly realized that the Religious Right did not get their way this time?

This just hit you NOW?!

Trump is the religious right, they voted for him overwhelmingly. No morals yet yeah we actually care about god and stuff. What a bunch of hypocrites lol, the religious right is a joke, basically a scam now

Trump is not the Religious Right.

He did reach out to them and made some decent points about why he would be better than Hillary, a very low bar, but I'm sure they are not enthused about him as a role model for their children.


Your attempt to make hay out of this is merely you showing that you have no clue about the role the RR has in the GOP.

No no--Evangelicals kicked their favorite Ted Cruz to the curb for Donald Trump.

I've heard no such reports. Link please.

They are fake Christians and the only time they bring up Christianity is when they want to make a political or social point that they favor. They picked and voted for the most anti value Christian candidate in the bunch. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Mike Huckabee the biggest hypocrite of all.

Meaningless swill.

What Christian could vote for a candidate that wrote in his book: That his personal Viet Nam was sleeping around with married women and avoiding STD's? You had white pastors all over this country praising Trump's win. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They've lost all credibility.
Draft-Dodger Trump Said Sleeping Around Was My ‘Personal Vietnam’....'

A christian who wanted a pro-life supreme court and a president who was not actively hostile to them.

We're you sleeping during the primaries?--LOL I guess the Republican party has changed it's family value platform--to where now it's O.K. to sleep around with married people. It's O.K. to be vulgar, spew hate and division all over the place. It's O.K. to insult and offend people of different color. It's O.K. to attack people of different religions.

Jesus Christ would have never approved of Donald Trump but you sure as hell did. You're only Christians when gay marriage and abortion doesn't suit your morality measure, then it's time to raise hell and break out the bible. Everything else is on the table after that.

You're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Mike Huckabee the biggest one of all.

 

[Correll]

Wow. YOu mean you suddenly realized that the Religious Right did not get their way this time?

This just hit you NOW?!

Trump is the religious right, they voted for him overwhelmingly. No morals yet yeah we actually care about god and stuff. What a bunch of hypocrites lol, the religious right is a joke, basically a scam now

Trump is not the Religious Right.

He did reach out to them and made some decent points about why he would be better than Hillary, a very low bar, but I'm sure they are not enthused about him as a role model for their children.


Your attempt to make hay out of this is merely you showing that you have no clue about the role the RR has in the GOP.

No no--Evangelicals kicked their favorite Ted Cruz to the curb for Donald Trump.

I've heard no such reports. Link please.

They are fake Christians and the only time they bring up Christianity is when they want to make a political or social point that they favor. They picked and voted for the most anti value Christian candidate in the bunch. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Mike Huckabee the biggest hypocrite of all.

Meaningless swill.

What Christian could vote for a candidate that wrote in his book: That his personal Viet Nam was sleeping around with married women and avoiding STD's? You had white pastors all over this country praising Trump's win. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They've lost all credibility.
Draft-Dodger Trump Said Sleeping Around Was My ‘Personal Vietnam’....'

A christian who wanted a pro-life supreme court and a president who was not actively hostile to them.

We're you sleeping during the primaries?--LOL I guess the Republican party has changed it's family value platform--to where now it's O.K. to sleep around with married people. It's O.K. to be vulgar, spew hate and division all over the place. It's O.K. to insult and offend people of different color. It's O.K. to attack people of different religions.

Jesus Christ would have never approved of Donald Trump but you sure as hell did. You're only Christians when gay marriage and abortion doesn't suit your morality measure, then it's time to raise hell and break out the bible. Everything else is on the table after that.

You're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Mike Huckabee the biggest one of all....

Nothing in that rant supported the claim that evangelicals "kicked cruz to the curb".


Trump won the primaries. His support was driven by his Trade and Immigration policies, neither of which are hot topic buttons for the evangelical republicans.

Your claim otherwise is counter intuitive and you have done NOTHING to support it.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

 

[JBond]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

Regardless of this law the point is that you don't have to use violence to express your opinions.
Violence is always bad (unless you're defending your own life or sombebody else's life)

Everyone agrees with that, no violence or property damage. But the law is written so vaguely it is inclusive of peaceful protesters--and I think that Arizona state legislators wrote this bill with the intent to do just that. To infringe and or limit free speech.

It will be struck down by a Federal District court judge because of the way it is written.

Oreo, you know this isn't a law, right? There is nothing to strike down because it has not passed. Damn, you are one slow cookie.

If the governor signs this bill into law it will be struck down immediately. The point is there are a lot of Republican legislators out there that have no business being in their seats. Arizona has a long history of doing this including writing anti-gay bills, abortion bills, paid protester bills, immigration bills etc. etc. etc. They put the taxpayers at risk for major law suits every time they do it. This is all over the place, everyone knows about it. It's even all over Facebook. They only embarrass their constituents.

It has not been sent to the governor because it has not passed the house. The language needs some updates/changes, but locking up these violent morons is a solid idea.

 

[oreo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

Regardless of this law the point is that you don't have to use violence to express your opinions.
Violence is always bad (unless you're defending your own life or sombebody else's life)

Everyone agrees with that, no violence or property damage. But the law is written so vaguely it is inclusive of peaceful protesters--and I think that Arizona state legislators wrote this bill with the intent to do just that. To infringe and or limit free speech.

It will be struck down by a Federal District court judge because of the way it is written.

Oreo, you know this isn't a law, right? There is nothing to strike down because it has not passed. Damn, you are one slow cookie.

If the governor signs this bill into law it will be struck down immediately. The point is there are a lot of Republican legislators out there that have no business being in their seats. Arizona has a long history of doing this including writing anti-gay bills, abortion bills, paid protester bills, immigration bills etc. etc. etc. They put the taxpayers at risk for major law suits every time they do it. This is all over the place, everyone knows about it. It's even all over Facebook. They only embarrass their constituents.

It has not been sent to the governor because it has not passed the house. The language needs some updates/changes, but locking up these violent morons is a solid idea.

It sure as hell does, but I doubt Arizona has the smarts to change it. Hopefully the Governor knows better than to sign off on this one.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

Hmm lets review parts of the First.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nope nothing about permits or instituting Capital Punishment on citizens who violate the law during a protest assembly, which would also violate the 5th Amendment. Speaking of the 5th

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Over the top, Unconstitutional.

 

[oreo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

Hmm lets review parts of the First.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nope nothing about permits or instituting Capital Punishment on citizens who violate the law during a protest assembly, which would also violate the 5th Amendment. Speaking of the 5th

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Over the top, Unconstitutional.

It is the final paragraph that is extremely vague and written poorly. It is inclusive of too many people, because they don't define "threat", then they move into more than two people, then they move into disturbing the peace.

When they really should have said--anyone that is doing harm to any person or willfully damaging property will be considered rioting.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What does violence have to do with free speech?

This where they fail, violent protesting isn't a protected right. It's illegal

Arresting and seizing assets of protesters that aren't rioting, which most don't, is in violation of the 1st amendment. You'll note the article also states that police can arrest people for planning a protest.

There is no doubt that this is going to be challenged in court and immediately struck down, but again it shows the mindset of the 4th Reich of the Republican party. We are going to oppress free speech in order to protect the ASS CLOWN, that Republicans have installed in the oval office is what this is about.

Jeepers, Jebbers!

If Trump were Hitler, he'd be financed by the Bush dynasty.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

Hmm lets review parts of the First.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nope nothing about permits or instituting Capital Punishment on citizens who violate the law during a protest assembly, which would also violate the 5th Amendment. Speaking of the 5th

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Over the top, Unconstitutional.

Creeps Have Made Us Crawl

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact": Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. And the trespassing the mobs do is a deprivation of property rights. "Peaceably" doesn't cover that.

 

[oreo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

Hmm lets review parts of the First.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nope nothing about permits or instituting Capital Punishment on citizens who violate the law during a protest assembly, which would also violate the 5th Amendment. Speaking of the 5th

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Over the top, Unconstitutional.

Creeps Have Made Us Crawl

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact": Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. And the trespassing the mobs do is a deprivation of property rights. "Peaceably" doesn't cover that.

You've got tunnel vision. What do you think would happen to the overall economy of Arizona or this country if all illegals were chased out, knowing that they contribute 4 trillion to this economy every year? 40% of illegals own homes. Meaning mortgage brokers would need another bailout from the taxpayers, while your property values collapse in the process. Restaurants, fast food joints, hotels could not find workers, and farmers would have to let their crops rot, as they wouldn't have anyone to harvest them. Most migrant workers cross the borders to work these fields, then cross the border again to get back to Mexico.

Mexico is the 2nd LARGEST purchaser of American products. 257.3 BILLION of American goods they bought in 2015. It's really not a good idea to start a trade war with them. No illegals can't vote, nor are they eligible for Welfare Benefits. No illegal would even attempt to vote or walk into a Welfare office only to risk getting caught and deported.

Trade deficits are on paper only--(and NOT money loss's). We purchase more from them because we are a larger population and need more goods. So in 2015 there was a paper trade deficit of 50 billion with Mexico. They are smaller population and don't need 3 cars for one family, or 2 washers and dryers for one family.

Trump has pissed off Mexico so bad--that one legislator wants to ban American corn and instead buy it from Brazil. What do you think that would do to American farmers wallets?
Mexico ready to retaliate by hurting American corn farmers

You'll note that Trump only attacks countries he doesn't have investments in. The Trump empire has expanded into China, they own hotels there. And where we should have a trade surplus with them, because they are a larger population, we don't because they are continually manipulating their currency. He's not going to do anything with China, they have him held hostage.
Trump's Hotels In China Could Be A Conflict For The President-Elect

What we need is immigration reform NOW, to insure that they are paying their fair share in Federal, State taxes along with Social Security & Medicare.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This is the bunch the law is aimed at....if you show up wearing masks and body armor in Phoenix, you're in for a bad day:

We Don't Need More Prisons, We Need More Morgues

These spoiled degenerates should be shot on sight. It is not the specific crime that we should punish by breaking windows at the houses of these feral misfits; for public safety, we have to punish the criminality and eliminate it. Those with a criminal attitude are the enemies of the human race. The same must be said for those who protect their anti-social behavior. The pushy brats can screech and whine at a designated place; that is the only free speech free citizens have to tolerate.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just when you think the 4th Reich of the Republican party can't get any worse. Arizona comes up with this law. It's to oppress free speech in this country. Protesters can now be arrested and their property seized if a protest turns violent, even though they may not be involved in the violence.

"Arizona’s police officers will be able to arrest and seize the assets of any protest attendee, even before any crime or riot has taken place, under a new law voted through by state senators on Wednesday.

The legislation was originally established for racketeering but was expanded in definition to include rioting, allowing for the prosecution of everyone planned or participated in a protest that turns violent.

Democrats have criticized the bill, which allows demonstrators to be arrested and have their property seized. The legislation does not require discrimination as to who may have, for example, thrown a punch in a crowd or broken a window. As soon as a riotous action has occurred, all protesters are deemed broadly associated and therefore guilty.

Further to that, due to processes afforded authorities who investigate racketeering and the renewed definition of rioting, police are permitted to preemptively arrest those planning a protest."
New Arizona 'riot' law lets police arrest peaceful protesters—and seize their property

The 4th Reich of the Republican party is in full swing with Trump in office. Make certain they pay hell for it in 2018 and 2020.

SCROTUS's Brownshirts

No matter what the royalist Supreme Court decrees, there is no right to protest. There is only the right to peaceably assemble in an area defined by permit. What the pushy mobs are doing is felonious trespassing, aggravated by the fact that they start from an area handed over to them by the First Amendment and then aggressively abuse that right. Those who do damage in the invaded area should be shot dead. Those who non-violently join them should have their property confiscated because of their proven contempt for public and private property rights.

Hmm lets review parts of the First.

"or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nope nothing about permits or instituting Capital Punishment on citizens who violate the law during a protest assembly, which would also violate the 5th Amendment. Speaking of the 5th

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Over the top, Unconstitutional.

Creeps Have Made Us Crawl

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact": Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. And the trespassing the mobs do is a deprivation of property rights. "Peaceably" doesn't cover that.

The constitution protects peaceful protesters. It does not protect non-peaceful protesters. This law appears to remove the constitutional protection of peaceful protesters and therefore imho, is unconstitutional.

 

[HenryBHough]

Now and then a law is passed which makes great sense to sensible people but which is intended to provoke the courts to strike it down. That action mobilizes a flock of people who otherwise would not have been sufficiently moved to start a movement and get certain candidates elected.

It works but has to be carefully thought through else it can easily backfire.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There are not 20 million "illegals" and no, a majority did not come through the desert. 40% come by plane ,and simply overstay visas.

The wanna-be Rambos who shoot at people in the desert should be shot themselves.

Listen asshole, I've lived in Phoenix for over 40 years and been to the border and below many times.....STFU.

I don't give a fuck where you live. You're not omniscient. Unless you've personally counted 20 million people and have a large PDF file with names and addresses to prove it, fuck off. Most reliable counts are around 11 million.

11 million is nothing but a left wing guess to reduce the perceived scope of the problem. If a RaT says a number for illegals, increase it by at least 75%.

. Even foxnews agrees it's 11 million.

A Coyote in a Fox's Clothing

Fox News is compromised by its sponsors' desire for cheap passive labor from a slavish race.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Now and then a law is passed which makes great sense to sensible people but which is intended to provoke the courts to strike it down. That action mobilizes a flock of people who otherwise would not have been sufficiently moved to start a movement and get certain candidates elected.

It works but has to be carefully thought through else it can easily backfire.

The Courts Are Just Another Layer of Elitist Rule

Don't listen to what the power-hungry ruling class tells you through its media and schools. The courts cannot veto legislation. The voters, if a majority feels compassion for the protesters, can overturn the law through voting in new legislators or through a referendum on this specific issue.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Why is it the left wants to control the States?

Most of us on the right don't like the Dem states that control everything, like taxing sugary drinks, for example, to you name it.
The right doesn't take it to court, because the people of each state have a right to vote for big government or less government.
That being said AZ. is a right wing state and this state does not tolerate violent rioting and destruction, which is what this bill does.
You who are against it from other states stay out of it, it's not your state issue. If your own state wants to coddle violent behaviour. so be it, but it harms the state taxpayers.

Our Constitution guarantees us freedom to protest, but not freedom to destroy.

An Assembly Without a Permit and Defined Area Cannot Be Peaceable

Don't meet the enemy halfway. There is no right to protest, either, which means trespassing. That word cannot be part of Freedom of Speech, because then Trump's peaceable assembly in Melbourne would have been called a "protest." If the Trump fans left the assembly and intruded on public or private property to continue their enthusiasm, then it would have become a "protest" and broken the law.

The decadent Hate America crowd can assemble in any park or auditorium it wants, but once it aggresses outside that area, it is committing insurrection and loses all civil rights.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Do you have any idea what would happen to Arizona's economy if they chased out every illegal there?


The entire point of this thread is--is that this ridiculous bill does not DISCRIMINATE between peaceful protesters and ones that are doing the rioting.


IOW--a bystander who wasn't even involved in the protest, could simply be arrested, his property seized, for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. A peaceful protest, one goes wild and throws a brick through a window, they all get arrested and their property is seized.


It most certainly is a DELIBERATE infringement on freedom of speech, and any District Court judge is going to pound this one into the ground as soon as it reaches their desk.


It's because people elect people to be state legislators that really have no business being in those positions. They're actually dumber than dirt, they just know how to campaign. They put the taxpayers at risk of major law suits, knowing full well that this is going to be challenged immediately.

The entire point of this thread was shown to be nothing more than a complete fabrication when I showed you THE ACTUAL BILL. The bill that you have steadfastly ignored in favor of the articles fabrications about it.


Interesting that you go on to state:

Well you show me where in this bill it discriminates from people whom are rioting and people who are not--then you might win me over. Until then go fish.



This bill is a glaring infringement on 1st amendment rights.

When such has already been shown to you. Go and read the text of the bill rather than letting others do all the thinking for you.

Then you provide a LINK to the actual bill. I want to see where it discriminates between someone who is throwing rocks into a window and those that are peacefully protesting.

Beware of Patriots; Their Bite Does Permanent Damage

If there's no proof that your imaginary innocent bystander was part of the mob action, I'm sure he'll get off. Videos will convict enough protesters to satisfy the public's desire for protection from self-centered dogmatic cults.