Aren't all gun control laws unconstitutional?

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    Dude, you're the king of silliness and repetitive dumbassery. I tell you something and you repeat it as if you're telling ME something? WTH?

    I grew up in the era when Congressman George Hanson wrote the book To Harass Our People: The IRS and Government Abuse of Power. So, excuse the Hell out of me. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You think you're smarter than those who have information you don't, so you know what...

    If you're happy with the society that is all about the pee test, blood test, hair sample, DNA sample, criminal background check, credit check, Interpol background check, ccw, occupation license, hunting license, National ID / REAL ID - E Verify, Socialist Surveillance Number... I mean "Social Security Number," fishing license, proof of insurance, 24 7 / 365 womb to the tomb surveillance, then you and I have little else to discuss.

    Either your reading skills are so minimal that you cannot participate in a civil and understandable conversation or you are a fucking idiot. My training is not in psychiatry, so you're SOL.
     
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    Refuted earlier for those with an IQ above their shoe size.
     
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    EVERY human being is born with unalienable Rights - or so says the Declaratory Charter of the United States, according to Thomas Jefferson.

    HAVING unalienable Rights does not mean there are not people that will infringe on them. And so the United States has sent more soldiers onto foreign soil in the name of Freedom and Liberty than any country on this planet. We've never occupied countries as a political participant in exchange. We've not taken an acre of the land for our sacrifices.

    We are a country built on foundational principles that when we organized our government and ratified a Constitution, we presupposed these things and that is why we have been a beacon to every nation living under tyrants.

    A good analogy is that you have a Right to the car you bought. That does not guarantee that you car is incapable of being stolen. Some days I don't know when some of you guys are bullshitting me OR you really don't understand the foundational principles.
     
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    And your point? Do you have kids? If so, if you require them to be home by a certain time, you are "allowing" them to stay out until a certain time. As minors they are not afforded the same Rights as adults.

    Do you not understand that if you say the government "allows" you to own a firearm, you could never, ever, under any circumstances argue an unalienable Right to keep and bear Arms? By saying that you are agreeing that your Rights are given to you by government. THAT contradicts the foundational principle stated in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

    Did the government create you? If so, maybe you're a robot and the government does tell you every move you can make. If not, you have unalienable Rights that are above the Constitution.

    I know that one post I did is long, but you should take the time to read it.
     
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    I believe we are both on the same side of second amendment right. I was just trying to get a clarification on why you thought the courts rules the second amendment does not allow for private ownership? The bill of rights were created separately that reminds the federal government citizens have the right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    I assume you meant the Declaration of Independence.

    I was just curious. I personally don't see how rights which have existed only recently and only in select locations can be called unalienable. Jefferson wrote that we were born with the inalienable rights of life and liberty, while simultaneously owning human beings. It's a pleasant enough phrase, but really has no meaning unless the society you live in is willing to allow you those rights.
     
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    Case in point. Even the police can't say what they think in their free time:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-25-officers-posted-shared-offensive-material
     
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    Unless you've a F16 with a suitcae nuke parked in your dooryard, an armed populace can't confront a rouge government Bluesdude ~S~
     
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    We are on the same side of the Second Amendment for the most part.

    I part company with a lot of people on the issue because after about 1875 (IIRC) the United States Supreme Court began issuing rulings that contradict other PREVIOUS rulings. My understanding was that America has three branches of government:

    Legislative
    Executive
    Judicial

    The United States Supreme Court has the authority to interpret the laws, but nothing in the Constitution gives them the authority to revisit their own rulings and then change them. As a result, the high Court has made a tremendous clusterphuck out of gun laws in general.

    Add to that Trump and the United States Supreme Court are having a dick measuring contest now over who has the authority to ask if you're a citizen on the Census. The real answer: That was a job for the legislature. We cannot keep being ruled by changing court rulings and Executive Orders. So, as in my long winded post, I go back to the FIRST court rulings and that, in my mind, legitimately conveys what the law is and it is consistent with the other documentation I posted. It is consistent with the words of the founders / framers.
     

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