Are You Morally Defective?

[Flanders]

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I have to confess I never saw the United Nations coming in the many threads I posted over the years about judges and psychiatrists abusing the law no less than they did in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. It can only get worse with the UN’s ugly hand on the tiller.

Deborah C. Tyler’s details in a fabulous, informative, article is worth reading several times. Here is a little taste:

Morally defective personality (F60.2) made WHO's list of personality disorders. They must have been looking for research subjects in the lounges at the U.N. The term “defective” has been considered unethical and abusive for years. It is a disgrace to psychiatry and psychology to accept a document that has the term “defective” in it. Who are moral defectives today? Gun owners? Christians?

October 12, 2015
ICD-10: The U.N. Occupies Medicine
By Deborah C. Tyler

Articles: ICD-10: The U.N. Occupies Medicine​

The United Nations controls so many of America’s policies —— education, immigration, medicine, and the environment for starters —— I can be pardoned for letting the UN’s plans for “mental health” slip pass me in a thread I posted in 2013. Make no mistake about psychiatry. Anything the United Nations gets it hands on spills over into every aspect our daily lives one way or another.

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Without mentioning the United Nations this excerpt should score a few points for trying:

Obamacare and the DSM-5: Be Afraid; Be Very Afraid
Erik Rush Friday, February 8, 2013

Obamacare and the DSM-5: Be Afraid; Be Very Afraid​

Rush does not touch on one of my long running objections; i.e., psychiatrists deciding the degree of guilt and punishment. Individuals who choose to see a psychiatrist is not the same thing as placing the force of law in the hands of psychiatrists. It is not smart lawyers who save murderers from the death penalty, it is liberals trying to abolish the death penalty who protect “insane” murderers who often go free after a period of confinement.

Psychiatrists who are so inclined use the power the government gave them to protect murderers from the death penalty. Where the hell does that authority originate? and who gave it to them? And where’s the proof that criminals cannot fool a psychiatrist. Bottom line: There is a huge difference between character witnesses and experts. I’m not even sure character witnesses should be allowed in capital cases until witnesses testifying to a defendant’s bad character are heard.

Every mass murderer who doesn’t pull his own plug ends up with an insanity defense. The irony is that psychiatry, an elitist control-tool at best, saves mass murderers from the death penalty. Those are the same people who would abolish the Second Amendment. Think about that for a while.

It is the ideology behind parasite-driven laws that needs to be questioned. The parasite class promotes legislation that provides tax dollar employment wherever possible. Parasites care about one thing only and it ain’t the mentally disturbed as evidenced by the array of drugs forced upon patients in today’s government-funded version of Bedlam monitored by the courts. It is tax dollar incomes buttressed by lifetime tenure at the public trough that draws the meanest of parasites to the mentally ill.

Psychiatric evaluations, psychological counseling, and all the rest of the liberal garbage placed thousands of new parasites into education bureaucracies. Their mandate is to brainwash the non-violent young who show signs of resisting socialism’s doctrine. Result: Personality-engineering has become a mainstay in America’s schools.

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[Bonzi]

... too deep for me.....

I'm morally defective... yes. But I didn't need to read that to know it..........

 

[Auld Phart]

Am I morally defective?

hmmmm

 

[Bonzi]

 

[Arianrhod]

Is this in the correct forum?

 

[Bonzi]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

 

[Arianrhod]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

 

[Bonzi]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

 

[Arianrhod]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

While it's true that genuine sociopathy is a mental disorder, it's also extremely rare. So I think we can assume that most people who behave badly know exactly what they're doing and just don't care. Ergo, not a medical condition. Just a question of a belief system that focuses on "Me, ME, Meeeeee!" as in "We should destroy the PPACA, and then go after Medicaid and Medicare because it's what I want!"

Then the question becomes, if we reclassify monolithic selfishness as a mental disorder, will it be covered by the PPACA? That's known as irony.

 

[Auld Phart]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

 

[Bonzi]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

While it's true that genuine sociopathy is a mental disorder, it's also extremely rare. So I think we can assume that most people who behave badly know exactly what they're doing and just don't care. Ergo, not a medical condition. Just a question of a belief system that focuses on "Me, ME, Meeeeee!" as in "We should destroy the PPACA, and then go after Medicaid and Medicare because it's what I want!"

Then the question becomes, if we reclassify monolithic selfishness as a mental disorder, will it be covered by the PPACA? That's known as irony.

I don't give a shit.. what's in it for me?

 

[Bonzi]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

Honey, I'd do a lot but it would take a hell of a lot more than a Klondike bar.
I can get a few of those myself.
Give me something I can't (or don't want to) get for myself and we'll talk..

 

[Arianrhod]

Is this in the correct forum?

Either way great topic....

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

While it's true that genuine sociopathy is a mental disorder, it's also extremely rare. So I think we can assume that most people who behave badly know exactly what they're doing and just don't care. Ergo, not a medical condition. Just a question of a belief system that focuses on "Me, ME, Meeeeee!" as in "We should destroy the PPACA, and then go after Medicaid and Medicare because it's what I want!"

Then the question becomes, if we reclassify monolithic selfishness as a mental disorder, will it be covered by the PPACA? That's known as irony.

I don't give a shit.. what's in it for me?

Affordable mental health care?

 

[Flanders]

Is this in the correct forum?

To Arianrhod: My premise and the article I linked defined the forum.

Is there a difference between "morally defective" and "morally bankrupt"?

To Bonzi: The question should be: Does either one belong in the hands of a judge?

Probably. But are either medical conditions?

To Arianrhod: Psychiatrists are doctors by legal definition.

Is a psychological condition considered a medical condition?

I consider this a personal choice..... like what you want to do for a living.
Do I want to a selfish, immoral asshole, or not....

To Bonzi: Not in a court if you look at the practitioners:

psychologist (noun)
Abbr. psych., psychol.

A person trained and educated to perform psychological research, testing, and therapy.​

Note that psychiatrists have far too much say in criminal trials as I stated in the OP; whereas, a psychologist cannot commit anyone to an institution or help a criminal beat the rap.

psychiatrist (noun)

A physician who specializes in psychiatry.​

Interestingly, both disciplines were created in 19th century. Also, both fields infiltrated the definitions of many words like trauma and censor:

censor

Psychology. The agent in the unconscious that is responsible for censorship.​

Psychiatry. An emotional wound or shock that creates substantial, lasting damage to the psychological development of a person, often leading to neurosis.​

To me, I see psychiatrists as overpaid bullshit artists who only cure serious mental disorders in movies and novels, while, psychologists resemble propagandists more than doctors. When all is said and done both rely on forcing their morality on their victims just as priests have done throughout history.

Affordable mental health care?

To Arianrhod: Frankly, I would rather see tax dollars going to dentists than to psychiatrists.

 

[Arianrhod]

To me, I see psychiatrists as overpaid bullshit artists who only cure serious mental disorders in movies and novels, while, psychologists resemble propagandists more than doctors. When all is said and done both rely on forcing their morality on their victims just as priests have done throughout history.

"Forcing morality"? Never heard that before. Can you elaborate?

 

[Bonzi]

I think I get what Arian is saying.. Psychologists/Psychiatrists are just "people" - they are just using man-made ideas and manipulating them to "try" to help others.

Some people are just fucked up and will always be that way.

It's a racket.

 

[Arianrhod]

I think I get what Arian is saying.. Psychologists/Psychiatrists are just "people" - they are just using man-made ideas and manipulating them to "try" to help others.

Some people are just fucked up and will always be that way.

It's a racket.

A distinction needs to be made between frank psychosis and lesser conditions that can - and should - be treated.

 

[Bonzi]

I think I get what Arian is saying.. Psychologists/Psychiatrists are just "people" - they are just using man-made ideas and manipulating them to "try" to help others.

Some people are just fucked up and will always be that way.

It's a racket.

A distinction needs to be made between frank psychosis and lesser conditions that can - and should - be treated.

Examples? X vs. Y?

 

[Arianrhod]

I think I get what Arian is saying.. Psychologists/Psychiatrists are just "people" - they are just using man-made ideas and manipulating them to "try" to help others.

Some people are just fucked up and will always be that way.

It's a racket.

A distinction needs to be made between frank psychosis and lesser conditions that can - and should - be treated.

Examples? X vs. Y?

Schizophrenia is defined as psychosis. MRIs reveal distinct differences in the brains of schizophrenics vs non-schizophrenics. Talk therapy seldom helps, because the schizophrenic's ability to process reality is impaired.

Something such as PTSD, to give one example, is the outcome of life experience(s). Someone who's been in combat, a bad auto accident, etc. will display symptoms and behaviors that can be addressed by therapy, often in combination with medications, and can be helped.

 

[Bonzi]

I think I get what Arian is saying.. Psychologists/Psychiatrists are just "people" - they are just using man-made ideas and manipulating them to "try" to help others.

Some people are just fucked up and will always be that way.

It's a racket.

A distinction needs to be made between frank psychosis and lesser conditions that can - and should - be treated.

Examples? X vs. Y?

Schizophrenia is defined as psychosis. MRIs reveal distinct differences in the brains of schizophrenics vs non-schizophrenics. Talk therapy seldom helps, because the schizophrenic's ability to process reality is impaired.

Something such as PTSD, to give one example, is the outcome of life experience(s). Someone who's been in combat, a bad auto accident, etc. will display symptoms and behaviors that can be addressed by therapy, often in combination with medications, and can be helped.

What about things like Alcoholism or Sexual Dysfunction?