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Look, Brotherman, honestly, thats a little scary. And I don't swing that way. Besides, you're getting side tracked again.
Well, give me a second to touch myself in the no-no naughty spot while I fondle my dog's balls...
I've got one word for you, dude.
PITA.
Ok. lookey here though Shogun...
National IDs would violate privacy by helping to consolidate data. There is an enormous and ever-increasing amount of data being collected about Americans today. Ones grocery store, for example, might use a loyalty card to keep detailed records of what you buy, while Amazon keeps records of what you read, the airlines keep track of where you fly, and so on. This can be an invasion of privacy, but our privacy has actually been protected by the fact that all this information still remains scattered across many different databases. But once the government, landlords, employers, or other powerful forces gain the ability to draw together all this information, our privacy will really be destroyed. And that is exactly what a national identity system would facilitate.
Ok. lookey here though Shogun...
National IDs would violate privacy by helping to consolidate data. There is an enormous and ever-increasing amount of data being collected about Americans today. Ones grocery store, for example, might use a loyalty card to keep detailed records of what you buy, while Amazon keeps records of what you read, the airlines keep track of where you fly, and so on. This can be an invasion of privacy, but our privacy has actually been protected by the fact that all this information still remains scattered across many different databases. But once the government, landlords, employers, or other powerful forces gain the ability to draw together all this information, our privacy will really be destroyed. And that is exactly what a national identity system would facilitate.
And credit rating compnaies that know you by your SS# aren't compiling data? Again, have you burned your SS card yet? No? go figure. You seem to think that collecting demographics is a brand new sport. You have not lost privacy while you NOW have a social security card, right? there you go. A national ID system would clarify who is and who isn't a citizen on par with the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION when they send you your yearly projection of social security disability benefits.
Face it. yours is not a position based on reason or evidence. I happen to enjoy my non-british looking flouride in the water teeth. Maybe if you stop repeating the same ole pile of warm, steaming shit you'll notice a lack of black 'copters taking notes on how many average times it takes you to wipe your ass.
lol. Alright I admit it. But come on. It was funny.
You still haven't answered this yet....
This isn't nearly over yet. lol. I'll be back later to take you to school again.
I don't usually prescrib to conspiracy theories. But when answers are classified (purposefully hidden) or several smaller events line up to make a bigger whole I will question the value added.CONNECT the dots, eh?
how's that conspiracy shit working out for you this side of being prescribed meds for schizophrenic delusions?
HO NOOeZ! Dey commin for mee!
as sad as the black 'copter crew is I have to give the award to the Beasters since i'm working on achieving the unforgivable sin today.
Then again, that's what my illuminati handler told me to say on pain of death so take it however you like it.
And Shogun, tell you what jiggamon, I've never seen someone practicly begging for the government to crack down on it's citizens before. Seriously, you are a first for me.
How about this, you hold onto the the shredder so that it gives a clean cut and I'll ram the United States Constitution through it. At least then we can say we worked together on something eh? lol.
I'm telling you guys. The REAL ID is bad news. Fight against it at all costs. And in the end, you will still have the country you grew up in. It may need some remodeling, but it will still be here.
I don't usually prescrib to conspiracy theories. But when answers are classified (purposefully hidden) or several smaller events line up to make a bigger whole I will question the value added.
If things do not seem right we should ask why. If things are lining up to create further supercede the Constitution, we should ask why.
Do you want a National ID card? Then why? Do you want microchips that track everything from location to transactions and perhaps even cameras? Then why? Do you want less freedom and more surveillance? Then why? What is the value added?
I can see the value added for children, but can they legally have them removed when they come of age or will it be a mandatory implant? ill the National ID card be a smart card that will house all of our records (Credit limits, library card, license, medical records, criminal records, etc)?
I just move this weekend. I called to have my electricity turned on in my new home. The electric company has a contract with Comcast and Direct TV to refer me to them when a new account is opened. It is not a large leap from there for these companies to deny us service if we owe an affiliate some money (over due cable Bill would lead to loss of a utility).
Would you have a problem with consolidation on that level?
And Shogun, tell you what jiggamon, I've never seen someone practicly begging for the government to crack down on it's citizens before. Seriously, you are a first for me.
How about this, you hold onto the the shredder so that it gives a clean cut and I'll ram the United States Constitution through it. At least then we can say we worked together on something eh? lol.
I'm telling you guys. The REAL ID is bad news. Fight against it at all costs. And in the end, you will still have the country you grew up in. It may need some remodeling, but it will still be here.
First, when has anyone remotely suggestedthta rf chips be forced onto anyone? Do we make pet owners chip their dogs? no. Has ANYONE suggested that it be mandatory for kids to be chipped? no? the how does allowing such to be an option equate to the black 'copter paranoid delusion? If Natalie Halloways parents decided to chip her the day she were born can you FATHOM how such might have been a benefit, say, in 2005?
I've already covered how EASY inserting and extracting such a chip would be. For pete's sake, if men can manage having their balls clipped during an outpatient doctors visit I'm going to go ahead and assume that injecting a chip won't be anything like the trailer for Saw 4.
Second, Yes, I am totally for a national ID for the specific reasons mentioned above. You see, in this debate I'm the one with hands on experience in having to break the law in order to maintain a legal hiring practices. Did you know that I have to HIRE a suspected illegal before I can verify his ID? No? This is where real life usurps the paranoid rant, fellas. I'm not offering you some rhetorical hypothetic circumstance here. I'm telling you how an outdated form of ID is creating havoc in real life employer circumstances and how it related to the greater problem of illegal immigration.
Third, until either one of you burn your social security number then neither one of you have an inch of platform to stand on when complaining about being tracked, demographics collected or information shared. Challenge this point, I dare you.
Fourth, I am hardly interested in allowing some big spooky government to become my string pulling marionette. However, it's a total joke to assume that big brother is going to stand by your bed stroking his pocket hamster while you sleep just because a form of national ID becomes a standard in proving personal identity.
How about, instead of the x files "the truth is out there" approach, you both give me actual concerns about how such an ID would be used that has a negative impact on your life. Im not asking for 30 posts that regurgitate the plot of 1984. This is why you conspiracy people are as silly as the antichrist people. You seem to think that someone cares enough about your lives that they know when you are taking a shit. It's ridiculous.
Ps, since one of you obvious brainiacs brought up the Constitution, why don't you go ahead and show me where the CONSTITUTION says that citizenship will never require ID. Could it be possible that rhetorical talking points that have as much validity as my dog's poo has nutritional value are easier to toss out than taking a few minutes to think critically about the ramifications of an issue?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
"the REAL ID Act wrongly coerces states into doing the federal government's bidding by threatening to refuse noncomplying states' citizens the privileges and immunities enjoyed by other states' citizens"
Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington have joined Maine and Utah in passing legislation opposing Real ID. However it should be noted that most of these actions are non-binding resolutions rather than acts of law, leaving the decision about compliance to the governors themselves.
Similar resolutions are pending in Alaska, Arizona, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, D.C., West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Forced chips is an extrapolation. The National ID cards will be mandatory. Smart cards could be the next logical upgrade and probably a mandatory one at that. And so on. I did say I saw the benefit of chipping our children, but would that be mandatory or would we have the option of removal after we reach maturity? I cannot say I exactly trust the direction our government has been taking considering surveillance.First, when has anyone remotely suggestedthta rf chips be forced onto anyone? Do we make pet owners chip their dogs? no. Has ANYONE suggested that it be mandatory for kids to be chipped? no? the how does allowing such to be an option equate to the black 'copter paranoid delusion? If Natalie Halloways parents decided to chip her the day she were born can you FATHOM how such might have been a benefit, say, in 2005?
No one is assuming that the microchip would be such a horrendous operation, in fact it would most likely be an in and out thing. But the possibility of mandatory injections is not to far of a stretch. Especially since terrorism and national security would be touted as the reasoning behind it.I've already covered how EASY inserting and extracting such a chip would be. For pete's sake, if men can manage having their balls clipped during an outpatient doctors visit I'm going to go ahead and assume that injecting a chip won't be anything like the trailer for Saw 4.
It is true that our social security number is exactly that. But IDs can be stolen, forged, and so on. I disagree with the system that orbits around our SS number. I think it is a severe intrusion and an economic noose. But the SS number is assigned to us, not implanted in us with RFID technology.Third, until either one of you burn your social security number then neither one of you have an inch of platform to stand on when complaining about being tracked, demographics collected or information shared. Challenge this point, I dare you.
How about a standard of tracking us? How about a standard of surveillance? How about a new way to corral all lower income people into economic reservations?Fourth, I am hardly interested in allowing some big spooky government to become my string pulling marionette. However, it's a total joke to assume that big brother is going to stand by your bed stroking his pocket hamster while you sleep just because a form of national ID becomes a standard in proving personal identity.
So our phone calls are recorded & cataloged by the NSA, along with email transmissions, faxes, Internet activity, financial records, library books borrowed, job history and so on. These records are housed in super computers and AI software analyzes it for "suspicious" associations. You don't have a problem with that? Have you not read any news papers since 2005?How about, instead of the x files "the truth is out there" approach, you both give me actual concerns about how such an ID would be used that has a negative impact on your life. Im not asking for 30 posts that regurgitate the plot of 1984. This is why you conspiracy people are as silly as the antichrist people. You seem to think that someone cares enough about your lives that they know when you are taking a shit. It's ridiculous.
Our founding fathers did not fathom that the citizens of America would be required to pay for and carry Identification. Nor did they conceive of microchip technology. So your point is moot at best. The argument can be made either way. Abortion rights were not written into the Constitution because our founding fathers did not conceive of women wanting to have such an operation, yet a woman should have the right to choose should she not?Ps, since one of you obvious brainiacs brought up the Constitution, why don't you go ahead and show me where the CONSTITUTION says that citizenship will never require ID. Could it be possible that rhetorical talking points that have as much validity as my dog's poo has nutritional value are easier to toss out than taking a few minutes to think critically about the ramifications of an issue?
First, when has anyone remotely suggestedthta rf chips be forced onto anyone? Do we make pet owners chip their dogs? no. Has ANYONE suggested that it be mandatory for kids to be chipped? no? the how does allowing such to be an option equate to the black 'copter paranoid delusion? If Natalie Halloways parents decided to chip her the day she were born can you FATHOM how such might have been a benefit, say, in 2005?
I've already covered how EASY inserting and extracting such a chip would be. For pete's sake, if men can manage having their balls clipped during an outpatient doctors visit I'm going to go ahead and assume that injecting a chip won't be anything like the trailer for Saw 4.
Second, Yes, I am totally for a national ID for the specific reasons mentioned above. You see, in this debate I'm the one with hands on experience in having to break the law in order to maintain a legal hiring practices. Did you know that I have to HIRE a suspected illegal before I can verify his ID? No? This is where real life usurps the paranoid rant, fellas. I'm not offering you some rhetorical hypothetic circumstance here. I'm telling you how an outdated form of ID is creating havoc in real life employer circumstances and how it related to the greater problem of illegal immigration.
Third, until either one of you burn your social security number then neither one of you have an inch of platform to stand on when complaining about being tracked, demographics collected or information shared. Challenge this point, I dare you.
Fourth, I am hardly interested in allowing some big spooky government to become my string pulling marionette. However, it's a total joke to assume that big brother is going to stand by your bed stroking his pocket hamster while you sleep just because a form of national ID becomes a standard in proving personal identity.
How about, instead of the x files "the truth is out there" approach, you both give me actual concerns about how such an ID would be used that has a negative impact on your life. Im not asking for 30 posts that regurgitate the plot of 1984. This is why you conspiracy people are as silly as the antichrist people. You seem to think that someone cares enough about your lives that they know when you are taking a shit. It's ridiculous.
Ps, since one of you obvious brainiacs brought up the Constitution, why don't you go ahead and show me where the CONSTITUTION says that citizenship will never require ID. Could it be possible that rhetorical talking points that have as much validity as my dog's poo has nutritional value are easier to toss out than taking a few minutes to think critically about the ramifications of an issue?
