'Are You Better Off....'

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  1. midcan5
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    midcan5 liberal / progressive

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    Or worse off - a Fox survey has over 80% claiming they are worse off? Personally, I cannot blame any president for how I feel each four years. Are Fox viewers eighty percent worse off, and if so, why? Whose fault is that?

    Are you worse off because Obama was elected and he didn't help you out, are you too lazy for work and require the government to make things better for you? Are you worse off because the Bush tax cuts were left in place?

    Or are you entitled to the government helping make it better for you, all the while whining that the particular government in power hasn't made it better for you?

    Why does this question contradict the intent of the question? I thought the conservatives / republicans / libertarians did it all on their own, from nothing, did I miss a qualification or footnote?

    If you are better off, should you thank Obama? Should you thank Government? Should you thank luck? Should you thank your dead relative who left you lots? Should you thank yourself?

    "It is breathtaking impudence that Republicans should try to campaign on whether we are better off than were were in the last six months of the Bush administration. I can’t believe we are even arguing about this. Seriously? The country had fallen off a cliff in the last years of Bush, or rather had been pushed off one by GOP policies.

    'Top Ten Ways we are Better off than in January 2009'

    1. In January 2009 we lost 600,000 jobs. In 2008 over-all, we lost 2.6 million jobs, the most in 6 decades! We’re now adding over 100,000 jobs a month." Top Ten Ways we are Better off than in January 2009 | Informed Comment

    The Contemporary Condition: The Real Entitlement Crisis

    "Perhaps if a Democrat explained how all Americans have actually benefited from the standards (I do not say achievement) of racial and gender equity as these have been articulated since the 1950s, the Republican Party wouldn’t have such a lock on the votes of white males. Perhaps if a Democrat could honestly say to working-class women that they don’t need to depend on their families for child care—especially men with incomes, but also relatives with time to watch the kids—the Republican Party would finally become the exclusively white, all-male country club it wants to be." Revisiting False Consciousness | Politics and Letters
    Revisiting False Consciousness | Politics and Letters
     
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    I'm worse off.
     
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    Apart from being four years closer to the big dirt nap, I am better off.
     
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    Let's get real MidCan... Specific actions that have made YOU and me worse off...

    1) Stealing from the Social Security/Medicare premiums so that Barack "Robin Hood" Obama can claim he gave EVERYBODY a tax break. Brought SS to it's knees 6 to 8 years ahead of schedule. Is creating DEBT for future generations with DOUBLE INTEREST being paid on every underfunded SS check dollar.

    2) Throwing away money on stock market gambles on Green Energy ventures he didn't understand and didn't care about understanding. That money SHOULD have gone to REAL energy research and development. NOT to jerky companies making gimmick variations of commodity items.

    3) Not understanding the important central CAUSE of the employment shift. Replacing OLDER MIDDLE class jobs in Manufacturing with sub-par lower paying jobs in the service sector. Keep that up and there will BE no middle class left in 10 years. It's GLOBALIZATION stupid. And the only way for America to MAINTAIN its standard of living is to promote INNOVATION, TECHNOLOGY, and VENTURE CAPITAL.
    Not SHOVELS and GREEN Slime.

    THis guy is clueless as to how the economy works. The car that the Reps ran into the ditch is still there because OBAMA is arguing with the Tow Truck driver about being non-union...
     
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    ^ this.

    Can’t give any more rep flac, I’m all out atm. Gona have to remember :D

    I would also add that the real question is not have we moved up at all in the last 4 years but whether or not that movement was adequate. It seems that at the bottom of all recessions, there is going to be an upswing. I have no idea where this concept that we simply could have spiraled down forever if it were not for Obama. That is ridiculous. It is not how recessions work. They hit a bottom then go back up. The reality here is that this recession is taking longer and moving slower. That is not an endorsement for the current solutions. It is clear that those solutions have failed miserably.
     
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    No siree we ain't better off...

    ... Uncle Ferd still ain't got his job back atta dry cleanery...

    ... wringin' farts outta shirt-tails...

    ... an' Granny still ain't got dat 2nd stimulus check...

    ... things is tough all over.
    :mad:
     
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    I'm a tad better off, but that has nothing to do with this regime or, for that matter, the last one either.

    The wealthy are, of course, much better off now, in some part thanks to this regime.

    The rest of the socio economic classes really aren't doing well at all.

    And I seriously doubt this is going to change much regardless of who attains the White House, either.
     
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    i'm sorry to hear that. and certainly, i'd hope that turns around. but i'd wager that has zero to do with this president doing anything wrong.

    four years ago our economy melted down. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month, the housing market was in the pits and banks were failing.

    our money has been largely repaid... we are producing jobs, albeit not enough. but that's what happens when we cut "government" so that job creation remains stagnant. for every job created in the private sector, we are losing one in government...teachers, firefighters, police...etc.

    that leads to further reductions in our national cash flow... which in turn leads to money being cut to the states and to the federal government...

    which in turn leads to job losses...

    which in turn leads to people not having sufficient money to buy certain goods and services...

    which further cuts our national income...

    the fact that we're doing as well as we are given the obstacles put in front of this president ... is phenomenal.
     
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    do you make up this stuff?

    you think those drops in the bucket have changed this for you personally?

    really?

    personally?
     
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    Poor Obama, he's had phenomenal Obstacles put in front of him

    ObamaCare (MORE BIG GOVERNMENT that we get to PAY FOR) passed against the will of the people

    800 billion of taxpayers monies he took did NOTHING

    spent us into 5 trillion more dept

    oh my the obstacles are daunting

    So ask yourself, how the hell can you be better off today?
     
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