Are truths relative or absolute?

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    Are truths relative or absolute?

    I believe that truth is, ultimately, absolute.
    Today, many would argue that truth is relative.

    I find that hard to believe. Based on the fact,
    there is common ground for most on us on many issues.

    Example, most of us would say:
    -murder is wrong
    -child abuse is wrong
    -theft is wrong

    Since, I can not really see how these truths would ever
    change nor want to live in a world were they did,
    I tend to believe that truth is absolute.

    As for the rest that is not the same for us, it is only
    part of the learning curve on the process of discovery
    of the "truth".
     
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    I would argue that truith is subjective. What may be true for me is not always true for another.

    While all may agree that child abuse is wrong, what constitutes "abuse" is relative. Murder may be wrong but did George Zimmerman commit murder? Stealing may be wrong but are taxes stealing?


    See what I mean?
     
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    These are more "localized", partial elements that address the
    question was this murder or child abuse not if murder itself is wrong or right.

    But, the ultimate truth, we all agree is still wrong.

    Again, if truths were relative
    then would could argue that, ultimately,
    murder is never wrong.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    That would be a stretch, don't you think?
     
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    Morality isn't truth. Truth is never wrong, it is absolute. The truth is the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

    While there is no such thing as relative truth, there is relative morality. Child abuse is wrong, unless you believe that the age of consent denies children the sexual pleasure adults can give them. Murder is a good way to shape public opinion. It isn't stealing if its something you really want and no one will give it to you.
     
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    Truths are not morality.
     
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    I don't think you are talking about truth. I think you are talking about values. Right and wrong are meaningless in terms of truth.

    If I hold a pencil up, let it go and it falls to the ground - that is a truth. It happened. Whether my letting it go was the right thing or the wrong thing to do is purely a value judgement having nothing to do with the event itself.
     
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    That's a deep philosophical question. What is truth? Do we even agree on what we mean?

    I think most of us live in relative truth, but absolute truth can't really be described, it can be experienced IMO.

    We delve into the metaphysical or spiritual when we talk about what is absolute truth. Some may call absolute truth, "God".
     
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    I agree. Truth is not about right or wrong. Truth just is. An example of something true is impermanence, aging and death.
     

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