Are today's Southern Conservatives any different than Southern Conservatives from the Civil War?

[rdean]

Have today's southern conservatives changed from since the days they were slaveholders?

 

[Asclepias]

They've only changed political parties.

 

[rdean]

They've only changed political parties.

I agree. I believe their policies and goals are unchanged.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

 

[Pheonixops]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

LOL

The Free Market Mises Institute

"Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war."

 

[Pheonixops]

Are you sure it's a "Democrat thing" Avg?
“We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society,” said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate.

That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy.


Read more: Big government gets bigger - Washington Times
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"As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue."

 

[Asclepias]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

 

[Asclepias]

Isn't there a more appropriate forum for this troll thread?

Is it hurting your eyes or something? Its a political question in the political forum. Thats the most appropriate forum.

 

[g5000]

They've only changed political parties.

Pretty much.

 

[g5000]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

Apparently, you are deeply unfamiliar with the history of the Republican party.

The original Republican party (during Lincoln's time) was all about big government. The Republican Party radically expanded federal government powers.

 

[occupied]

Still willing to throw themselves into the fray on behalf of the rich for empty promises of prosperity.

 

[eagle7_31]

Have today's southern conservatives changed from since the days they were slaveholders?

Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent without violence or bloodshed, implemented the Philadelphia Plan in 1970 — the first significant federal affirmation program, raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent; doubled the budget for black colleges, started the Office of Minority Business Enterprise, raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent. All of the above happened under the Nixon administration.

Some 'southern stragety'.

 

[AVG-JOE]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

Actually, the Republican party (as in 'and to The Republic for which it stands...'), was established leading up to The American Civil War by those who were arguing in favor of the Federal Government having not only the right, but the obligation, to step in and overturn the state and local government decisions that were judged to be in violation of the rights of individuals, which they saw as granted by and guaranteed by The United States Constitution.

Noble goals, which the times demanded, which would require a lot of 'government', all managed from the top. There were a lot of human rights being violated back then.

Then, their little experiment in big government did what governments with cash-flow and a mandate do. It grew, and grew trying to fulfill the mandate of directing everything from DC.

It's nobody's fault... For our constitution to survive long enough to bear the fruit of it's authors vision, foresight, and liberal use the phrase "All...", rather than "White, Male, Property Owners...", slavery had to end, and America had to be set on a path ending with the law actually being applied equally to ALL The People.

It needed to happen - The People who conquered America came with a ruthless efficiency.

Republicanism: One of the many baby steps to the stars

 

[AVG-JOE]

A ruthless efficiency that was finally dealt with legally in the 1960's, a hundred years after the war that granted The Republic the right to dictate to The Democratic majority.

Dealing with it practically is still ahead of us on The Timeline, but I'm optimistic. Truly I am.

 

[jasonnfree]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

More B.S. about Democrats keeping Blacks on the plantation. If you're sincere about this, then you are telling millions of Blacks who vote overwhelmingly Democrat, that they are too stupid to understand who their real enemy is. Reading the threads on these forums and any intelligent person soon finds out who the racists are and why Blacks continue voting Democrat. You say Republicans have never been for slavery? Not true if we include wage slavery, which Republicans overwhelmingly approve of. This means the Repub leadership as well as the wage slave conservative suckers making crap wages and waiting for that trickle down effect Reagan promised them over thirty years ago.

 

[squeeze berry]

They've only changed political parties.

I agree. I believe their policies and goals are unchanged.

meanwhile both of you are NOI

 

[bripat9643]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

The term "Southern Strategy" was made up by a lib. Republicans have never even mentioned accept with respect to left-wing claims about it.

 

[Asclepias]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

The term "Southern Strategy" was made up by a lib. Republicans have never even mentioned accept with respect to left-wing claims about it.

Actually they admitted this at least twice that I know of. There is always at least one idiot who will deny this. Looks like you get the booby prize....again.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics

""Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong.""
-RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman

"Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems."


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite

"“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”"
-RNC Chairman Michael Steel.

Finally an interview of Lee Atwater.

 

[paperview]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

The term "Southern Strategy" was made up by a lib. Republicans have never even mentioned accept with respect to left-wing claims about it.

"As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Lee Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of the interview was printed in Lamis's book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005, edition of the New York Times. On November 13, 2012, The Nation magazine released a 42-minute audio recording of the interview:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******." By 1968 you can't say "******" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.

But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******."*

*In case you can't figure it out, that's the n-word.

 

[paperview]

As to the man, Dent, Atwater was talking about:

"Four years later, Strom Thurmond helped Richard Nixon to hold South Carolina but not the other Deep South states. Thurmond reassured southerners that Nixon would hear their concerns on civil rights matters. George Wallace of Alabama won five Deep South states, from Arkansas to Georgia, but Nixon’s strength elsewhere in the region was crucial to his narrow popular-vote victory over Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey.

Dent has been described as having helped to articulate the Southern Strategy. Its detractors called it "racism" cloaked in code words like "law and order." Its advocates called it a legitimate appeal to people sidelined by their compatriots who benefit from affirmative action and government aid programs.

The strategy was credited with Nixon's nomination and election. Dent was rewarded with a post as special counsel and political strategist to the new president. Dent worked in the White House for four years and also worked on the image of his old boss, Senator Thurmond. "We’re going to get him on the high ground of fairness on the race question," Dent said in 1971..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Dent,_Sr.