Are There Other Industries with "Public Options" We Can Compare?

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  1. AVG-JOE
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    The first one that comes to mind is education.

    As flawed as it is, if not for a public option in education, no matter how we solved the problem, my wife and I would have earned about 1/3 less during our child-rearing years.

    I honestly believe that life would NOT be as good for us right now without a public option in education.

    Too bad it is run so top-down inefficiently.
     
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    Public education is a great one. NYC spnds three times as much as a Charter school does and delivers less educated children for the money

    Also, Medicare is another public option gone bad: it loses $60B annually to fraud, probably twice that to MedMal doctoring AND is TRILLIONS in the red and is going to leave a hole as big as the one that killed the dinosaurs.
     
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    Sure, lets look:

    The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - 234 years to get it right; it is broke.

    Social Security was established in 1935 - 74 years to get it right; it is broke.

    Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - 71 years to get it right; it is broke.

    The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money each year
    and it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke.

    Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - 44 years to get it right; they are broke.

    Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - 39 years to get it right; it is broke.

    Trillions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009... none show any signs of working

    "Cash for Clunkers" established in 2009 - and went broke in 2009!
     
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    Elucidate in terms of your own situation?
     
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    Public Education does have a LOT of success stories. The higher up the socioeconomic scale the school district, the more it seems, but the point is that a 'public option' can work if created and managed at a local level.

    If a company as small as Boeing Aircraft can self insure, why not a 'group' as large as a county?

    Guarantee one thing - If we use the federal base for fairness and manage our various 'public options' at a local level, 50 years from now, our children will have more data to look at as they ponder the next 50 years.

    More data is good, yes?
     
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    Anyone who thinks the "public option" in education means it's free just doesn't get it.
    Public education is paid by property taxes, which are paid by anyone who owns or rents real property. The results have been nothing short of horrendous: poor service at high prices.
    This is exactly what a "public option" in health care will deliver.
     
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    They're broke because we allowed a series of sold-out to corporate lobbyist congresscritters and lap-dog presidents to mis-manage them, not because they were bad ideas.

    There is a huge difference. Huge.
     
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    Yes. Or, to put it another way: They're broke because they were run by the government.

    So why give them more to mismanage? I agree with you about public education. I would love to see it managed more locally, and it actually has a chance for that to happen. Health reform? No way will the feds allow that to be managed locally.

    So, no. No more things for them to mess up, mismanage and take more money from everyone. Bad Fed....bad!
     
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    I have no clue as to the meaning of this word! You stumped me...... :eusa_think:

    My mix of private and public education fails me....:redface:

    Shit happens. :eusa_whistle:
     
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    I never said I thought it was free.

    That estimate of 1/3 lower earnings definitely takes into consideration the slight reduction in federal, property and local sales taxes that removing education from the tax base would entail, but I don't think for a minute that the warped government system evolving around us, from town level to federal, isn't taxing me based on what I will pay and not on what it needs to feed itself.
     

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