Are the Palestinians a real people?

[ForeverYoung436]

Lately, I've been reading alot about Napoleon. During his time, Belgium wasn't really independent yet, but there was a country called Westphalia. Today there's no Westphalia but there is a Belgium. And South Sudan became a country only a couple of years ago. In other words, countries come and go all the time.

Nimrod also thought that the state was everything. Then he was told:

"You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting."

And was nevermore.

Never mind with your cryptic statements. They are narrow minded and not very deep. I remember when I was a student in Bar Ilan in 1982, and took a bus to the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. As I got off the bus, a smiling stranger met me and proceeded to take me all around the tombs. It was an hour before I found out he was an Arab. I wore a kippa, so he knew I was Jewish right away. And here in NY, I worked with an Arab who used to call me "Cousin." Not all Arabs are animals.

No one said that they were.

And.

There's nothing cryptic about you bowing to the state. Kapos did as well. Bolsheviks also.

Guys guys...

Instead of wasting time arguing about those whom the Torah calls 'non-people',
You could make Aliyah and vote in the next elections this spring.

Or before voting, join the ongoing discussions about Parliamentary Monarchy,
then instead of arguing about "bowing to state", You can argue who makes the King's Bracha and who answers Amen.

The Arabs... once relieved of the burden of playing the role the West projects on them, and responsibility for creating something they neither want nor know how, will have less psychological obstacles fitting into a power structure, an environment for which they've been wired and used to in the middle east most naturally.

All I'm saying we might not need another '67 to order things in their place,
just look at all the Arabs gathering around Rabbi Zamir Cohen...

Yes, I had forgotten that the Torah calls the modern so-called Palestinians a "non-people." Very prophetic. It predicted that we would be harassed by a certain "people" who are not really a people, and that's exactly what's happening today. However, I believe the Torah meant "non-people" in the nationalistic sense, in that they are not a unique people but are part of the larger Arab people. That is exactly what this thread is about. It doesn't mean that they are like animals, and not human beings. That is how the anti-Semites claim we look at Gentiles--as being less than human. Bereishis (Genesis) says that ALL ppl were created in the image of G-d.

 

[Ropey]

Socialist Kapos discussing G-d and Hegel/Marx in the same breath. Something tells me that you'll need a lot more time for filtering than many.

 

[admonit]

Socialist Kapos

I don't think that this is an appropriate rhetoric in discussion. Especially between Jews.

 

[Coyote]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Deny their identity as terrorists? Who is doing that exactly?

They are not all terrorists

 

[Ropey]

Socialist Kapos

I don't think that this is an appropriate rhetoric in discussion. Especially between Jews.

Yes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Deny their identity as terrorists? Who is doing that exactly?

They are not all terrorists

99% of them support terrorists.

 

[Coyote]

Nimrod also thought that the state was everything. Then he was told:

"You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting."

And was nevermore.

Never mind with your cryptic statements. They are narrow minded and not very deep. I remember when I was a student in Bar Ilan in 1982, and took a bus to the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. As I got off the bus, a smiling stranger met me and proceeded to take me all around the tombs. It was an hour before I found out he was an Arab. I wore a kippa, so he knew I was Jewish right away. And here in NY, I worked with an Arab who used to call me "Cousin." Not all Arabs are animals.

No one said that they were.

And.

There's nothing cryptic about you bowing to the state. Kapos did as well. Bolsheviks also.

Guys guys...

Instead of wasting time arguing about those whom the Torah calls 'non-people',
You could make Aliyah and vote in the next elections this spring.

Or before voting, join the ongoing discussions about Parliamentary Monarchy,
then instead of arguing about "bowing to state", You can argue who makes the King's Bracha and who answers Amen.

The Arabs... once relieved of the burden of playing the role the West projects on them, and responsibility for creating something they neither want nor know how, will have less psychological obstacles fitting into a power structure, an environment for which they've been wired and used to in the middle east most naturally.

All I'm saying we might not need another '67 to order things in their place,
just look at all the Arabs gathering around Rabbi Zamir Cohen...

Yes, I had forgotten that the Torah calls the modern so-called Palestinians a "non-people." Very prophetic. It predicted that we would be harassed by a certain "people" who are not really a people, and that's exactly what's happening today. However, I believe the Torah meant "non-people" in the nationalistic sense, in that they are not a unique people but are part of the larger Arab people. That is exactly what this thread is about. It doesn't mean that they are like animals, and not human beings. That is how the anti-Semites claim we look at Gentiles--as being less than human. Bereishis (Genesis) says that ALL ppl were created in the image of G-d.

A non people.

In denying them their identity from the most fundamental and religious level are you and others any different than those who deny Jews their identity? I dont think so. Regardless of how that identity started (coalescing around resistance to Israel) it is an identity now with it's own history and unique heritage defined by conflict and diaspora. Why is it so fundamentally impossible to accept to some that they must actively seek to erase it?

 

[admonit]

Socialist Kapos

I don't think that this is an appropriate rhetoric in discussion. Especially between Jews.

Yes.

Ate you even Jewish, troll?

 

[Ropey]

The kapos work well with the socialists.

 

[Coyote]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Deny their identity as terrorists? Who is doing that exactly?

They are not all terrorists

99% of them support terrorists.

No.

 

[Ropey]

^socialist, not kapo.

 

[admonit]

It's unlikely that refugees' children, born in Kenya, are registered as refugees.

Actually, family unity, they are registered as refugees.

It's not "actually", but just your opinion, which you cannot prove.
And I provided an official data.

They are children born in a camp where neither they or their parents are permitted to leave.

So, how can you explain the current number of refugees 217,108, supposing that the children are automatically registered as UNHCR refugees?

If they are not refugees, what are they?.

Irrelevant. Either the children are automatically registered as UNHCR refugees or not. There are refugees in.your country, but they are not registered as UNHCR refugees.

Not my opinion, the UN's opinion

From UN.org

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. ... UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.

I already commented this article and there were no answer.

 

[Ropey]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Deny their identity as terrorists? Who is doing that exactly?

They are not all terrorists

99% of them support terrorists.

No.

Quibbling over percentages?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Socialist Kapos discussing G-d and Hegel/Marx in the same breath. Something tells me that you'll need a lot more time for filtering than many.

Perhaps you can say in plain English what you're talking about, instead of that philosophical gibberish.

 

[Ropey]

It's better that you don't understand. Then you can't complain as much.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It's better that you don't understand. Then you can't complain as much.

Then Congrats, you have the advantage in this debate, since I can't give a rebuttal to gobblelity-gook.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Deny their identity as terrorists? Who is doing that exactly?

They are not all terrorists

99% of them support terrorists.

No.

Agree to disagree?

 

[Ropey]

It's better that you don't understand. Then you can't complain as much.

Then Congrats, you have the advantage in this debate, since I can't give a rebuttal to gobblelity-gook.

Good, that's more socialist ideology that I won't hear.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It's better that you don't understand. Then you can't complain as much.

Then Congrats, you have the advantage in this debate, since I can't give a rebuttal to gobblelity-gook.

Good, that's more socialist ideology that I won't hear.

I've been talking about resolving the Israeli Arab conflict, using some practicality and some Jewish faith issues. It seems you're speaking of economics. Since we're talking about different issues, there's no reason for you to comment further. Unless you're one of those ppl who have to have the last word. Somehow I get the impression that you're one of those ppl, so go ahead...

 

[admonit]

Socialist Kapos discussing G-d and Hegel/Marx in the same breath. Something tells me that you'll need a lot more time for filtering than many.

Perhaps you can say in plain English what you're talking about, instead of that philosophical gibberish.

The poster probably means that being religious and socialist (left) is oxymoron.