Are the Democrats the new Communist party?

[beowolfe]

More delusionsal crap from the wingnuts. To be honest, I think we have a greater worry of the wingnuts becoming fascists than the Dems becoming communists. The wingnuts are already showing their fascist stripes and they only control a single branch of the congress.

 

[JBeukema]

More delusionsal crap from the wingnuts. To be honest, I think we have a greater worry of the wingnuts becoming fascists than the Dems becoming communists.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The CCCP and China? Communist?



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You don't even know what communism is.

Max Shachtman (Open Library)

I know, I love it..

Libs don't know what socialism is and what communism is...

Then they act as if they do...

This is the most ignorant thread I've seen thus far....

It shows how fucking stupid some people are - and thats absolute fact - thats not opinion or talking shit - thats just fact!

Its still fun tho....

 

[JBeukema]

What's a 'lib'?

You mean a Liberal?

Do your homework

jbeukema liberalism site:usmessageboard.com - Google Search

Can we get some better trolls around here?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Who dictates socialism - the people or the government??

So in reality SOCK who dictates the allocation or resources and production??

But I thought socialism was the dictation and allocation of resources and the control of production by the people - NOT the government SOCK...

So in reality SOCK, true socialism is not socialism if it has a government dictating... That would make it COMMUNISM....

You have it entirely backwards. Communism, in the basic textbook definition of the word, means a classless and stateless society. That's why there's never been a country called "The Communist Republic of _____" or the "The _____ People's Communist Republic." It's a contradiction in terms. All those countries are called "Socialist" countries because "Socialism" is sometimes supposed to be thought of as a middle stage between Capitalism and Communism (ie, a classless and stateless society) in which there is a state that represents "the people's' will" temporarily and works towards the establishment of the classless and stateless society. Obviously, that was the Marxist theory of it. Most of the 'historical' examples are examples of what became known as "State Socialism" because it soon became clear that the state was there to stay, and thereafter became what some call "State Capitalism" because almost every "socialist" aspect was done away with and the state began emulating so-called Capitalist and bourgeois behavior (ie, establishing military ranks, maintaining a standing army, repressing the workers, etc).

Today, Socialism means many different things to different people, ranging from mild reformists (ie, social-democrats) to radical revolutionaries (ie, communist guerillas). There's some unifying themes (equality, justice, whatever), but other than that tactics, implementation, and policy prescriptions vary widely.

Marx's socialism CANNOT exist...

You didn't even understand what Marx's communism and socialism were and yet you deny their existence... Interesting, though I don't necessarily disagree.

You ever read Marx sock??

Yes.

You know anything about Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong Il, Kim Il-Sung SOCK DUMMY???

Yeah - I know that none of them are in his books.

WRONG!!!!!

Socialism is an economy controlled by the "people" and Communism is an economy controlled by the "government."

Of course there are no "The Communist Republic of ____________" because socialism ALWAYS progresses into communism.

Besides, do you really expect a communist nation to tell the people they have ZERO control???

Both are dictated socioeconomic models...

 

[Mr.Nick]

What's a 'lib'?

You mean a Liberal?

Do your homework

jbeukema liberalism site:usmessageboard.com - Google Search

Can we get some better trolls around here?

Progressive socialist??? Progressive (insert philosophy here)...

I only wish I could use the word "liberal" correctly because I am one.. Too bad 95% of the general populace would believe I'm a modern democrat If I didn't point out I'm a LIBERT(y)arian..

 

[editec]

Whenever I'm looking for an FBI undercover agent, I attend a CPSU meeting and just look for the most radical Commie in the room.

That'll be him or her.

 

[Bfgrn]

What's a 'lib'?

You mean a Liberal?

Do your homework

jbeukema liberalism site:usmessageboard.com - Google Search

Can we get some better trolls around here?

Progressive socialist??? Progressive (insert philosophy here)...

I only wish I could use the word "liberal" correctly because I am one.. Too bad 95% of the general populace would believe I'm a modern democrat If I didn't point out I'm a LIBERT(y)arian..

So you subscribe to 19th century German ideas?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

WRONG!!!!!

Socialism is an economy controlled by the "people" and Communism is an economy controlled by the "government.".

I'm sorry, but you're just flatly wrong on that one. =\ It's just painfully obvious you're not informed on the subject. Here is some basic reading to get you started off, Nick:

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Titties McGee]

Democrats have always been in lock step with Communists.

 

[Rodack]

Socialists are simply baby communists

 

[Mr.Nick]

WRONG!!!!!

Socialism is an economy controlled by the "people" and Communism is an economy controlled by the "government.".

I'm sorry, but you're just flatly wrong on that one. =\ It's just painfully obvious you're not informed on the subject. Here is some basic reading to get you started off, Nick:

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No I'm not wrong...

Look at the October revolution as proof of my assertion.

Lenin was 9inspired by Marx - Lenin inspired the people to revolt and the government quickly took control of the socialism and called it communism.

I don't believe Karl Marx understood the impact he would have on the 20th century.....

The evilness went from the October Revolution to Pol Pot's Killing Fields that ended in 1979 (officially). Then you got the Soviet/Afghan war after that which pretty much bankrupted the Soviet Union, but gave birth to a man named Bin Laden....

Killing OBL is almost like killing a domino effect...

 

[Rodack]

Modern History:

Communism ends in millions Dead



Always does

 

[JBeukema]

Democrats have always been in lock step with Communists.

Was this when they were lockstep with the KKK and the member lists were the same?

You're a retard, aren't you?

 

[elvis]

Modern History:

Communism ends in millions Dead



Always does

when has communism been implemented?

Hint: Stalin wasn't a communist.

 

[JBeukema]

• 7. Meanwhile, as Socialism advances throughout the world, new forces have arisen to threaten the movement towards freedom and social justice. Since the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, Communism has split the International Labour Movement and has set back the realization of Socialism in many countries for decades.https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Frankfurt_Declaration#cite_note-congress-1

• 8. Communism falsely claims a share in the Socialist tradition. In fact it has distorted that tradition beyond recognition. It has built up a rigid theology which is incompatible with the critical spirit of Marxism.https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Frankfurt_Declaration#cite_note-congress-1

• 9. Where Socialists aim to achieve freedom and justice by removing the exploitation which divides men under capitalism, Communists seek to sharpen those class divisions only in order to establish the dictatorship of a single party.https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Frankfurt_Declaration#cite_note-congress-1

• 10. International Communism is the instrument of a new imperialism. Wherever it has achieved power it has destroyed freedom or the chance of gaining freedom. It is based on a militarist bureaucracy and a terrorist police. By producing glaring contrasts of wealth and privilege it has created a new class society. Forced labour plays an important part in its economic organization.https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Frankfurt_Declaration#cite_note-congress-1

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Frankfurt_Declaration

 

[The Gadfly]

WRONG!!!!!

Socialism is an economy controlled by the "people" and Communism is an economy controlled by the "government.".

I'm sorry, but you're just flatly wrong on that one. =\ It's just painfully obvious you're not informed on the subject. Here is some basic reading to get you started off, Nick:

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, obviously, the liberals here don't understand the difference between what communism SAYS it stands for, and what communism actually DOES stand for.

Now then, my errant little children, let's review.What communist state has ever actually attempted to eliminate its government? Well, actually to date, not a single one; no communist nation has ever gotten past the "dictatorship of the proletariat", which is to say, a fundamentally statist government run by (who else?) the ruling communist elite! If that sounds eerily similar to the desires of the so-called "progressive elite democrats" of today, it is because that is precisely the kind of state the wish to inflict (by force) on the rest of us; after all, who better than a bunch of elitist, leftist academic snobs, to tell the rest of us whats good for us (they of course, , being the elite, live by a slightly different set of rules (like the Soviet Politburo did). Regardless of what they say, communism is in fact statism (among other things)! Ever see a communist state that didn't call itself "The Peoples Democratic Republic of__________"? No? I didn't think so; you see, that's mere window dressing; communist states are neither "democratic", nor are they "republics" in any sense of word; they are in fact authoritarian by nature; communism, being at odds with human nature, cannot survive, save with the support of an all-powerful, authoritarian state. Any fool who still harbors the illusion that Stalin's Soviet Union was any more democratic, law-abiding, or less murderous than Nazi Germany, needs a history lesson-BADLY! Uncle Joe made Hitler look like an amateur, when it came to mass murder; so did Mao's China. COMMUNISM KILLS, massively, ruthlessly and often. It has to; it is an ideology based solely and completely on lies, half-truths and deception, as we have just shown. The Left LIES, constantly and repeatedly; some of the Leftists right here know that, being themselves such practitioners of that art, that they no longer can even recognize the truth, when presented with it. Advocates of the notion of "equality" they are nought but an arrogant collection of authoritarians, and elitists; the only people they deem worthy of "equality" are those that think and act as the Left thinks they ought; anyone else is to receive neither toierance nor equality (see the scribblings of Saul Alinsky and Herbert Marcuse for a sampling of communist thought on what to ask for, as contrasted with what to practice).. Advocates of "the rights of the people", they are the most shameless proponents of the rights of the state, first, last, and foremost. They have to be, for absent seizing control of the machinery of the state, communists are nothing by a tiny elitist minority of intellectual snobs. Fortunately, America has only a limited supply of Ivy-League intellectual snobs who pretend they are better and smarter than the rest of us (they are not, and it's high time we put these smug, arrogant jerks where they belong). So far as I'm concerned, that would be out of office, out of power, out of academia, out of the media spotlight, and into re-education camps where they could receive what their kind have dished out all over the world.

Yes, Hitler outlawed the communist party; even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and Old Adolf was 100% right on that call. It was a damned fine idea, and the world would be a better place, if there were not a single communist allowed to live. In Vietnam, I killed them by the bushel, and I wish I could kill more, wherever their disgusting species is found. The only GOOD communist, is a DEAD communist! I'd pick up a weapon again tomorrow, given the opportunity to kill more communists; I only wish we had been turned loose on the communist traitors here at home; I would have relished the prospect!

If Jesus ever actually said "turn the other cheek" he was not only wrong, he was a fool, as only a fool would actually do that. I am not a fool, and if you hit me, I will hit you twice, before you get a chance to try again. I'll hit below the belt, too; I don't fight fair; I learned that from the Left. When it comes to opposing communism, in whatever guise, it is "by whatever means necessary". Like you Lefites, I've learned that politics is war by other means, and I fight it that way; the same way you do. Don't like that? TOUGH! You started it, and I intend to do what I can to finish it. Every step Progressives/communists,/socialists take, I am prepared to go one further. Screw morality, your hippie progenitors said. I have every intention of doing just that; all I give a damn about is results (just like you).

 

[Mr.Nick]

Socialism fails everywhere its spawned.

Not to mention it usually takes a violent and murderous overthrow of a government to achieve such "peaceful socialism"

I believe Che Guevara and his "ACORN for Castro" is a fantastic example of that.

 

[JBeukema]

Socialism fails everywhere its spawned.

America failed in the 50s?

 

[daveman]

Democrats are communists, just a little less militant about it on the outside.

They have the exact same goals, just stated differently. Communists wanted to destroy America, progressive liberals just want to "transform" it from within.

Progressives want the US to "progress" to the condition of the Soviet Union circa 1958.