Are the Democrats the new Communist party?

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Check this out, read each one and see how many of them have been accomplished by the Dmocrats over the years, it might just surprise you.

Communist Goals (1963)


CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
 
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Hello, Troll

First your dishonesty, then your stupidity.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record

The Naked Communist is a book written in 1958 by conservative United States author and faith-based political theorist Cleon Skousen.[1]
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Naked_Communist

It's easy to make up a list of what you accuse others of thinking.


Now on to your stupidity

acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

That's a bad thing?
:eusa_eh:
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
It can't? So... Jesus is wrong when he says to turn the other cheek?
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Free trade with Communist China? Are you sure we're not discussing the Republicans?
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
And? Hitler outlawed the communist party. A free nation doesn't outlaw political opponents' associations.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
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Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Turns out big business controls both parties. Go figure, eh?

Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition
Which party loves the Tea Party, the Sons of Liberty, and the War for Independence?
 
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Hello, Troll

First your dishonesty, then your stupidity.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record

The Naked Communist is a book written in 1958 by conservative United States author and faith-based political theorist Cleon Skousen.[1]
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Naked_Communist

It's easy to make up a list of what you accuse others of thinking.


Now on to your stupidity



That's a bad thing?
:eusa_eh:
It can't? So... Jesus is wrong when he says to turn the other cheek?Free trade with Communist China? Are you sure we're not discussing the Republicans?
And? Hitler outlawed the communist party. A free nation doesn't outlaw political opponents' associations.
LePage's Order to Remove Labor Mural Sparks Outrage [Maine's New Republican Governor "Rocks"]
Turns out big business controls both parties. Go figure, eh?

Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition
Which party loves the Tea Party, the Sons of Liberty, and the War for Independence?

You dont research much do you? Try this one instead.
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
 
Democrats are communists, just a little less militant about it on the outside.

They have the exact same goals, just stated differently. Communists wanted to destroy America, progressive liberals just want to "transform" it from within.
 
Hey JBeukema, Believe what you want, but if you research it yourself, it all leads back to the same thing, this is what they had planned for america for a long time. You must be one of them, I think you fall under #12.
 
troll-3.jpg


Hello, Troll

First your dishonesty, then your stupidity.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record

The Naked Communist is a book written in 1958 by conservative United States author and faith-based political theorist Cleon Skousen.[1]
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Naked_Communist

It's easy to make up a list of what you accuse others of thinking.


Now on to your stupidity



That's a bad thing?
:eusa_eh:
It can't? So... Jesus is wrong when he says to turn the other cheek?Free trade with Communist China? Are you sure we're not discussing the Republicans?
And? Hitler outlawed the communist party. A free nation doesn't outlaw political opponents' associations.
LePage's Order to Remove Labor Mural Sparks Outrage [Maine's New Republican Governor "Rocks"]
Turns out big business controls both parties. Go figure, eh?

Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition
Which party loves the Tea Party, the Sons of Liberty, and the War for Independence?

First, Leukemia is one of the more flagrant Obamarrhoidal stooges who is totally immune to a rational discussion. And, even though she might not admit being a commie, or.....because of her stupidity......even know she is a commie.......she has all the makings of a commie.

Second, The Dem Party under Obami Salaami, in this term, will not recognize itself as the New Communist Party because it is politically inexpedient to do so.

But, for all intents and purposes, it is exactly that......especially when it caters to its left wing base, which is the ruling base.

A second term for the Marxist Political Charlatan Obami Salaami will doubtlessly result into a full fledged recognition of the fact that the Dem Party will be the New Communist Party and probably even call itself that.
 
Progressive liberals are certainly the "new" communist party.

Well, I'm sure they believe they're "socialists" but socialism doesn't exist - communism only does.

I think there are plenty of democrats, especially the "blue dogs" that differ with their communist buddies and there are a few democrats that believe they're democrats but really fall farther to the right (or the left ) being libertarian than they may believe..

No, the "democrats" aren't communists but the progressives are.

If you're a progressive, you're an authoritarian and authoritarians are generally communists.

I suppose there are theocratic authoritarian nuts of all kinds but the progressive communists outnumber them by 100:1. I suppose If I was wrong on that assertion we would have religious crazies in the streets everyday screaming for more religion in our schools and religious symbols everywhere. So I'm right in my 100:1 assertion.
 
Progressive liberals are certainly the "new" communist party.

Hey look, another sock.

The CPUSA doesn't need a 'new' party. It's doing just fine.
socialism doesn't exist - communism only does.

You can't have communism without first having socialism.

If you were a halfway decent troll, you'd bother getting the basics right.
If you're a progressive, you're an authoritarian and authoritarians are generally communists.

Really? King George was a communist? :cuckoo:

Communism ultimately seeks the dissolution of the State.

Again, try to at least get the fundamentals right. Does your job description really dictate you have to be so stupid and obvious?

Come on, put some effort into it.
 
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Here, I'll help you out.

Here are some examples of acceptable-grade AgitProp for you to study:

First, promoting the bosses and pitching the authority to the American people:

We need to find a good man, like Paul, to serve a term as a tyrant. A classical tyrant, granted great authority to make sweeping changes in government (changes difficult to push through legislatively due to a variety of reasons) for a set period of time.

Such a man could use this authority to get rid of many redundant government agencies, end subsidies for big agra, which is near impossible through other means, and clean out the federal government. We could write the Emergency Powers Act in such as way as to ensure the term cannot be renewed and he can be recalled with an 85% majority.

Term of, say, 6-12 months.

A first-draft example of the sort of pitch the frontman could use

My first act will be to convene a council of financial advisors (I'd write the Mises institute and ask then to aid me with their best council) to go over every item in the federal budget. Those who wish to keep it must prove why it is necessary that it exist and be handled by the Fed.

Then I would summon our highest generals and foreign ambassadors to negotiate our withdraw from Cold War era bases- they will be handed over to the host nations so they may defend themselves.

Then I will declare that we will no longer honour NAFTA. I will ask ICE to establish a bureau to check the nations/companies/factories where any imported goods come from. If they do not meet environmental and labour standards comparable to our own, they will face steep tariffs. this will disincentive outsourcing.

We will assist the Mexican government in rebuilding their economy and use drone strikes to take out the cartels so a legitimate government can assume control and keep the peace. Such a government and a strong economy in Mexico are necessary to stem the violence and the waves of illegal entrants overwhelming our border patrol.

Subsidies to big Agra, big Ethanol, and big Oil will be ended and States will be encouraged to revamp their welfare programs, enforcing strict standards that require people to document their efforts to become gainfully employed.

The American Society of Civil engineers and the Army Corps of Engineers will be tasked with coming up a plan to get American's infrastructure up to par in five years.

The best economists will be brought forth to argue the merits of the flat, fair, and other tax plans. The goal will to be to come up with a simplified tax system free of the innumerable loop holes we have today. A simple three-tier progressive system (with the lowest tier being except) will be the first option to be debated.

Hollywood's top minds will be brought forth and asked to redirect the Hollywood propaganda machine to foster an environment in which the radioactive spider is replaced with the Ubermensch and self-improvement and the local churches and citizens councils that lead local efforts to aid the poor are cast as among our greatest civil heroes and role models.

Weekly reports on progress will be shared with the public and people will be encouraged to gather signatures and petition for any other actions they wish to see taken.

Notice the language designed to appeal to the libertarians, protectionists, and other small-government types while the entire premise is the concentration of great power in one man or a small cadre of men?

And now, some examples on how to test the waters in the other end, agitate the libertarian communists and much of the other Leftists as well as certain religious groups.

Look, America's going to end. All empires have and will.

Mole ruit sua.

There's no reason to worry about preserving such a large nation-state with its artificial loyalties. Instead, we should focus on developing sustainable organic social networks and cooperative associations between persons and communities.

Look to the future. To pretend I have any greater tie to someone 3000 miles away than to someone 500 miles away based merely on the fact that we live on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand is absurd. We are getting nearer every day to the time when mankind will progress beyond neo-colonialism, the nation-state, plutocracy, and artificial loyalties. Focus on developing strong, sustainable communities with those around you and encouraging and partaking in the free flow of information and ideals with all people.

Look, America's going to end. All empires have and will.

Mole ruit sua.

There's no reason to worry about preserving such a large nation-state with its artificial loyalties. Instead, we should focus on developing sustainable organic social networks and cooperative associations between persons and communities.

Look to the future. To pretend I have any greater tie to someone 3000 miles away than to someone 500 miles away based merely on the fact that we live on the same side of some imaginary line in the sand is absurd. We are getting nearer every day to the time when mankind will progress beyond neo-colonialism, the nation-state, plutocracy, and artificial loyalties. Focus on developing strong, sustainable communities with those around you and encouraging and partaking in the free flow of information and ideals with all people.


Yeah sure I would dearly love to live in that anarchist utopia, too, JB.

Who said anything about anarchism? Anarchy is impossible. Whenever two men interact, they create either a democracy or a tyranny. People will always arrange themselves into ingroups and form various systems of governance to settle disputes, organize large collaborative efforts, provide for the mutual defense, and establish a system of Law to enforce such ethical standards as the unacceptability of murder and theft. Man is, after all, a social animal.

However, history has shown us that when organic associations are replaced with artificial loyalties that are maintained through force, you end up with a deformed civilization in which not all members are truly one People. Such a society cannot be sustained and will naturally destabilize as the various organic societies contained within it trend toward themselves and antagonisms between them become sharper as they develop away from each other. Once these natural societies begin to express their internal will and come into conflict with the powers lording over them, the powers of Empire will seek to suppress them, first with Law and then with the sword. Such cracking down intensifies the will to resist among small numbers, though the will of the People as a whole may be broken for some time. With continued abuse, however, and as the People become more aware of their socio-political alienation and those in positions of power and influence allow themselves to enjoy their station and revel in the abuse of power, the masses eventually grow restless.

America today is like Rome before it. Modern technology may have shifted the balance of (military) power even further toward Empire, yet it also allows greater communication among the populace, aiding the spread of free thought and fanning the flames of discontent. As we near the tipping point, how this nation will transform and what will come after it will depend largely on the current powers of Empire and whether they allow society to evolve, unite in the suppression of the People's will, or turn their swords upon each other, each attempting to secure his own gains and privileges.
History is written and society is built form the ground up. Autonomy is, in my opinion, at present, our best available means of expressing our will. We should focus on building strong communities, nurturing our natural associations, and supporting, aiding, and abetting, the free flow of ideas. Nationalism is a dogma and [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Science-Liberty-Democracy-Reason-Nature/dp/0060781505"]the rejection of dogma is critical to liberty and emergence of any legitimate system[/ame].

There is no one solution, no one system, no one path that is right for all people in all places at all times. Some people will wish to establish rather small communities, such as we see in the FEC, and experiment with various forms of direct democracy. Others may desire to preserve, to varying extents, their existing cities and establish either federations or confederations with surrounding areas.

Rather than replacing the old powers of Empire with a new one, as was seen in the past, it is important that the guiding principles be equality, liberty, and socio-political and economic parity for all who to contribute to society as they are able. Every man among his fellows must be free to advocate, seek out, and build such communities and systems of governance as he and his fellows find best able to meet those ends.

We begin not by seeking to replace the current system, but by establishing a parallel system within it, operating independent of it. We must resist always the influence of the Bolsheviks and others like them who would lead us headlong into slaughter, civil war, and the rise of the next strong man. We should not hesitate to defend our liberty and and as necessary, but history teaches us that we should not seek out such conflict as has time and again given rise to new tyrants.
A tragic collapse of empire has never resulted in that kind of strong, sustainable communities by CHOICE ideal that you and I would both like to see mankind evolve into.
Which is why we must begin building such systems now and also work to dissolve, not smash, the current State system so that, with its passing, the order of the world can emerge from among the People.
What's the PLAN?
Network. Communicate. Discuss. Work within the current system to achieve such reforms as we can in order to prepare the way. Work among your fellows to strengthen your community, encourage regional commerce, and establish a strong society that can operate independent of the current powers of Empire. For some, the answer will be communes. For others in other places, food coops, urban agriculture, citizens' councils organizing cooperative efforts and community-building in their own neighborhoods will be critical. For others elsewhere, establishing cooperation between producers of food and goods, achieving workplace and market democracy, and seeking sustainable means of supporting the population will be crucial.

The common threads are autonomy, communication, ground-level organization, and local cooperation and self-governance where possible. A better world is possible; these are the tools with which we can build its foundations.

Such a program is easily combined with new-age cults, isolationist communes, and 'grass-roots' social revitalization-type systems.

Of course, one should always be sure to put forth such a social face as is guarenteed brad support

Pretending there is any meaningful difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in naive at best and, by any fair assessment, counterproductive.

Has the lot of the average American been similarly effected under both their rule as of late?

Clearly, neither faction offers us any solutions.

I'd also recommend circulating such propaganda as can be used to both agitate and 'out' certain elements while also providing an excellent booheyman and common foe against which the masses can rally.

The most effectual way to destroy a civilization, is to undermine the family unit and let the society collapse upon itself.

This is best achieved using a two-fold approach:

First you use economic incentives to encourage women to have children out of wedlock while undermining the economy so that the average single earner cannot easily support a child, let alone multiple children. Now you're an entire generation without proper parenting and guidance. This ensures that the youth will be diligent in following their programming in step two. Any other economic pressures you can use to prevent the family unit from forming or from spending 'quality time' together furthers the progress made in phase one.

Secondly, you use a vast machine to encourage sexual promiscuity, demonize the opposite sex and the family unit (see: Betty Friedan, Planned Parenthood, anything else Maddie ever cites), and encourage a culture of sexual openness whilst undermining traditional courtship, which once served to ensure faithfulness and commitment in a relationship. The objective is to see an entire generation which freely spreads STDs, encounters pregnancy out of wedlock very often- and can be easily taught that abortion is the easy answer, thereby helping to devalue human life and further undermine the traditional values which innumerable civilizations have been built upon, and which consciously rejects anything once deemed good in favour of the thrill of self-destruction.

Ms. Lukas says women lost the sexual revolution. In this she is incorrect. More accurately, the neofeminists and their ideological and intellectual kin [remember their roots in Marxist feminism] are succeeding in destroying the Western civilization that they view as the source of all the world's ills. They do this because it is the commandment of their neo-Marxist faith, and because the imagine a Marxian Utopia afterwards, where not only gender roles, but sex itself, labour, capitalism, and Western culture no longer exist.

Now, do some studying and come back when you can bring a grade of AgitProp. We have standards around these parts.
 
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Progressive liberals are certainly the "new" communist party.

Hey look, another sock.

The CPUSA doesn't need a 'new' party. It's doing just fine.
socialism doesn't exist - communism only does.

You can't have communism without first having socialism.

If you were a halfway decent troll, you'd bother getting the basics right.
If you're a progressive, you're an authoritarian and authoritarians are generally communists.

Really? King George was a communist? :cuckoo:

Communism ultimately seeks the dissolution of the State.

Again, try to at least get the fundamentals right. Does your job description really dictate you have to be so stupid and obvious?

Come on, put some effort into it.

Socialism doesn't exist fool...

Who dictates socialism - the people or the government??

So in reality SOCK who dictates the allocation or resources and production??

But I thought socialism was the dictation and allocation of resources and the control of production by the people - NOT the government SOCK...

So in reality SOCK, true socialism is not socialism if it has a government dictating... That would make it COMMUNISM....

Marx's socialism CANNOT exist...

You ever read Marx sock??

You know anything about Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong Il, Kim Il-Sung SOCK DUMMY???

Don't insult me man...
 
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You're not even trying

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Thats nice Jbeauk,

Thanks for intellectually refuting my argument..

I must admit I love the twelveteen year olds who think they know how to drive until they smash daddies car into a brick wall.
 
Hey JBeukema, Believe what you want, but if you research it yourself, it all leads back to the same thing, this is what they had planned for america for a long time. You must be one of them, I think you fall under #12.

I'm really pissed. I want a nuclear holocaust over ideology. I've been waiting for it since the 1950's. I want to be vaporized, who wouldn't?!

In 1962 JFK had a chance to start a nuclear war, and we know now that the missiles in Cuba were armed with nuclear warheads. All Kennedy had to do was invade the island and American cities would have been smoking holes in the ground. But Kennedy fucked up. He and Khrushchev wussed out and found a peaceful solution.
 
Hey JBeukema, Believe what you want, but if you research it yourself, it all leads back to the same thing, this is what they had planned for america for a long time. You must be one of them, I think you fall under #12.

I'm really pissed. I want a nuclear holocaust over ideology. I've been waiting for it since the 1950's. I want to be vaporized, who wouldn't?!

In 1962 JFK had a chance to start a nuclear war, and we know now that the missiles in Cuba were armed with nuclear warheads. All Kennedy had to do was invade the island and American cities would have been smoking holes in the ground. But Kennedy fucked up. He and Khrushchev wussed out and found a peaceful solution.
:rofl:

:clap2:


gotta spread the rep around
 
Hey JBeukema, Believe what you want, but if you research it yourself, it all leads back to the same thing, this is what they had planned for america for a long time. You must be one of them, I think you fall under #12.

I'm really pissed. I want a nuclear holocaust over ideology. I've been waiting for it since the 1950's. I want to be vaporized, who wouldn't?!

In 1962 JFK had a chance to start a nuclear war, and we know now that the missiles in Cuba were armed with nuclear warheads. All Kennedy had to do was invade the island and American cities would have been smoking holes in the ground. But Kennedy fucked up. He and Khrushchev wussed out and found a peaceful solution.

I think its more fun to front them on their own ideology, the same ideology most are absolutely ignorant to.

75% of these self proclaimed "socialists" couldn't tell you a damn thing about the October Revolution... Nor could they tell you who Czar Nicholas II was..

They're brainwashed with communist ideals - but they're not educated on communism - if they actually were they would know communism is the most fucked up unfair and unjust socioeconomic philosophy man has seen... Between Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Kim Jong Il, Kim Il Sung, Ho Che Minh, Pol pot, Castro, Che Guevara (citation) etc... thats at least 200,000,000 murders in the name of "equality."
 

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