CDZ Are the children of muslim immigrants becoming too Americanized?

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Muslim Parents Wrestle With Passing On Islamic Values

With its restrictions on dating, alcohol and attire, Islam can seem stifling to some young Muslims, a feeling compounded by some parents who see the outside world as a gateway to vice. That leads some Muslim immigrants to limit their children's non-Muslim social contacts.

"Many of them just keep their children inside, only within the community," said Ayfer Abed Aljabar, who founded the Iraqi American Community Center last year in Lowell, Mass.

"When Muslim kids look at American kids, they often feel like they are being deprived," said Dr. Othman Mohammad, a volunteer youth coordinator at the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy, Mass. Yet excessive curbs on children's social lives can lead to duplicity and secrecy, said Mohammad, adding that many Muslim kids talk about having an "at-home personality" and "at-school personality."

Suzy Ismail, curriculum developer at the Center for Muslim Life in New Brunswick, N.J., worries that many Muslim immigrant parents also isolate themselves within the local community, often because they feel intimidated by the new environment.

"When we don't mingle with others, we don't hear what goes on in school from other kids' parents. And because we're still often seen as the other, people hesitate to include us in these talks," said Ismail.

Aljabar, who fled Iraq in 2007 with her husband and three young daughters, now 10, 8, and 5, encourages her daughters to get involved with school activities and get together with friends.
 
According to most bed wetters, mooselimbs have no problems assimilating.

IMO however, it's a shame that our lack of morality isn't the problem. The mooselimbs are having issues with they hypersexualization of their kids, and they're right about than. Teenage girls don't need to be getting bedded down before they're fully mature. They don't need to get into drugs. Of course they also don't need to be "honor" killed either.

If there is anything positive about islime, it's that basic morality is important. Arranged marriages to cousins is pretty fucked up too though.

 
Muslim Parents Wrestle With Passing On Islamic Values

With its restrictions on dating, alcohol and attire, Islam can seem stifling to some young Muslims, a feeling compounded by some parents who see the outside world as a gateway to vice. That leads some Muslim immigrants to limit their children's non-Muslim social contacts.

"Many of them just keep their children inside, only within the community," said Ayfer Abed Aljabar, who founded the Iraqi American Community Center last year in Lowell, Mass.

"When Muslim kids look at American kids, they often feel like they are being deprived," said Dr. Othman Mohammad, a volunteer youth coordinator at the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy, Mass. Yet excessive curbs on children's social lives can lead to duplicity and secrecy, said Mohammad, adding that many Muslim kids talk about having an "at-home personality" and "at-school personality."

Suzy Ismail, curriculum developer at the Center for Muslim Life in New Brunswick, N.J., worries that many Muslim immigrant parents also isolate themselves within the local community, often because they feel intimidated by the new environment.

"When we don't mingle with others, we don't hear what goes on in school from other kids' parents. And because we're still often seen as the other, people hesitate to include us in these talks," said Ismail.

Aljabar, who fled Iraq in 2007 with her husband and three young daughters, now 10, 8, and 5, encourages her daughters to get involved with school activities and get together with friends.

So what is your point (this is the Clean DEBATE Zone)? That Americanization of Muslim youth is a greater problem than radicalization?
 
Muslim Parents Wrestle With Passing On Islamic Values

With its restrictions on dating, alcohol and attire, Islam can seem stifling to some young Muslims, a feeling compounded by some parents who see the outside world as a gateway to vice. That leads some Muslim immigrants to limit their children's non-Muslim social contacts.

"Many of them just keep their children inside, only within the community," said Ayfer Abed Aljabar, who founded the Iraqi American Community Center last year in Lowell, Mass.

"When Muslim kids look at American kids, they often feel like they are being deprived," said Dr. Othman Mohammad, a volunteer youth coordinator at the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy, Mass. Yet excessive curbs on children's social lives can lead to duplicity and secrecy, said Mohammad, adding that many Muslim kids talk about having an "at-home personality" and "at-school personality."

Suzy Ismail, curriculum developer at the Center for Muslim Life in New Brunswick, N.J., worries that many Muslim immigrant parents also isolate themselves within the local community, often because they feel intimidated by the new environment.

"When we don't mingle with others, we don't hear what goes on in school from other kids' parents. And because we're still often seen as the other, people hesitate to include us in these talks," said Ismail.

Aljabar, who fled Iraq in 2007 with her husband and three young daughters, now 10, 8, and 5, encourages her daughters to get involved with school activities and get together with friends.

So what is your point (this is the Clean DEBATE Zone)? That Americanization of Muslim youth is a greater problem than radicalization?
It was a century ago that Jewish immigrants went through almost exactly the same stressful transition. Even today, assimilation into the greater American society is a real concern in some Orthodox communities.

The Amish have had similar concerns for several generations. Like the Orthodox, a majority of the kids leave the isolated sub-culture and join the mainstream.

Even more similar groups such as the Irish and the Italians have gone through a painful period in which the new generation of kids don't learn to speak like Grandma and come home with ideas about dress and music and dating which appall Mom and Dad.

We always think of the American Melting Pot as a fundamental success but it has painful years as well.
 
According to most bed wetters, mooselimbs have no problems assimilating.

IMO however, it's a shame that our lack of morality isn't the problem. The mooselimbs are having issues with they hypersexualization of their kids, and they're right about than. Teenage girls don't need to be getting bedded down before they're fully mature. They don't need to get into drugs. Of course they also don't need to be "honor" killed either.

If there is anything positive about islime, it's that basic morality is important. Arranged marriages to cousins is pretty fucked up too though.
" Mooselimbs?" "Bedwetters?" WTH?
 
Muslim Parents Wrestle With Passing On Islamic Values

With its restrictions on dating, alcohol and attire, Islam can seem stifling to some young Muslims, a feeling compounded by some parents who see the outside world as a gateway to vice. That leads some Muslim immigrants to limit their children's non-Muslim social contacts.

"Many of them just keep their children inside, only within the community," said Ayfer Abed Aljabar, who founded the Iraqi American Community Center last year in Lowell, Mass.

"When Muslim kids look at American kids, they often feel like they are being deprived," said Dr. Othman Mohammad, a volunteer youth coordinator at the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy, Mass. Yet excessive curbs on children's social lives can lead to duplicity and secrecy, said Mohammad, adding that many Muslim kids talk about having an "at-home personality" and "at-school personality."

Suzy Ismail, curriculum developer at the Center for Muslim Life in New Brunswick, N.J., worries that many Muslim immigrant parents also isolate themselves within the local community, often because they feel intimidated by the new environment.

"When we don't mingle with others, we don't hear what goes on in school from other kids' parents. And because we're still often seen as the other, people hesitate to include us in these talks," said Ismail.

Aljabar, who fled Iraq in 2007 with her husband and three young daughters, now 10, 8, and 5, encourages her daughters to get involved with school activities and get together with friends.

every group becomes more "americanized" after they are here a generation or two. and every group wrestles with the same issue.
 
every group becomes more "americanized" after they are here a generation or two. and every group wrestles with the same issue.

A good observation. It's one that brings to mind the fact that in all my travels, the only place on the planet where one routinely appends the place of their ancestors national citizenry with their current American citizenry is in the U.S. I have never heard, say, a Brit say "I'm Italian English," or a Spaniard say "I'm a Spanish Jew." Accordingly, I have to wonder not only whether the children of Muslim immigrants will perpetuate that "denial," if you will, but perhaps "diluting" is a better term, of the their American status?

Not driven by your comment:
Beside, what does one's Muslim-ness have to do with anything? Being Muslim is merely being an adherent to a specific religious belief system. Do we wonder whether Protestant or Buddhist immigrants assimilate into American culture? Does America lack enough "good" in its own culture that it's necessary to hang on to the cultural traditions of the country one left rather than adopting those of the U.S?
 

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