Are some people simply born evil??

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    Like hitmen.

    You could never pay me enough/any money to take another human life.

    Except in self-defense or as a soldier in a war.
     
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    That's the point of Mt. 13.24-30...

    ... the parable of the wheat & tares...

    ... and where the term 'bad seed' comes from.
    :cool:
    Granny says, "Born different' - or born bad?...

    Movie attack suspect got guns despite psych issues
    November 21, 2012 - Mom: Movie attack plot Suspect 'Born Different'
     
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    Are some people simply born evil??


    that does not seem likely ... but if so, my fathers side of the family fits the bill.
     
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    I don't think so. I think babies are born with an empty slate, their upbringing and circumstances pretty much determine their personality by the time they're 10 years old. I do think people can change after that, but it ain't easy.
     
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    It depends ... it's a nature versus nurture debate.

    If the child was abused and didn't know what love was ... that will help in him or her becoming a criminal.

    People have negative genes in them when they are born... and if they grow up in an atmosphere conductive to crime ... yes .... they will become serial murders probably.
     
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    Everyone is capable of murder.

    To answer your question, no, people are not born evil. That is something their taught.
     
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    Are some people simply born evil??



     
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    They're a tabla rasa.
     
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    why the inevitable video rdean? ,,,, why not a human answer?
     
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    I second that.
     
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    "We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil. War gives us a feeling of moral clarity that we lack at other times." Sam Keen

    Children are not blank slates, I do not claim to be the greatest observer of humankind but anyone who has watched babies, infants, grow, witnesses behaviors, fears, activity and especially language as part of the biological person. Watching my first granddaughter talk and talk and talk even though none of it was intelligible demonstrated for me the innate gifts of humans. Evil though requires context, experience and a whole panoply of interactions and development. It requires especially background as the Holocaust should demonstrate to anyone. Consider too Racism. Remember Cain and remember too the concept of Original sin. Now explain empathy and its opposite. Or the Golden rule. It is a topic I have read lots on and offer a few sources below. In my database of stuff I have a listing titled Evil.

    Excellent piece. Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil | Video on TED.com

    and if you read: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Evil-Ordinary-Genocide-Killing/dp/0195189493/ref=pd_cp_b_2]Amazon.com: Becoming Evil: How Ordinary People Commit Genocide and Mass Killing (9780195189490): James Waller: Books[/ame]


    Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy: Inside a school for suicide bombers | Video on TED.com

    'A replication of the famous 1961 Milgram Experiment has found that the majority of people will comply with orders to administer painful shocks to an innocent person. Recreated Study Finds that People Still Willing to Torture Others


    "The main hypothesis concerning group-think is this: the more amiability and espirt de corps among the members of an in-group of policymakers the greater the danger that independent critical thinking will be replaced by groupthink, which is likely to result in irrational and the dehumanizing actions directed at out-groups." Irving L. Janis 'Sanctions for Evil' [old but interesting read]

    "The rhetoric about hatred, about mistrust of government, about paranoia of how government operates — and to try to inflame the public on a daily basis, 24 hours a day, seven days a week — has impact on people, especially (those) who are unbalanced personalities to begin with." Sheriff Clarence Dupnik

    "Terrorism require alienated individuals, a complicit community, and a legitimizing ideology motivated by a desire for revenge, renown, and reaction from the enemy." Louise Richardson

    "The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbors as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. We hate others when we hate ourselves. We are tolerant of others when we tolerate ourselves." Eric Hoffer

    See also: 'The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature' Steven Pinker

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...-where-does-evil-come-from-6.html#post2457564
     
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    Oh, and you thought you'd sound so intelligent...:lol: Nice try...:lol:
     
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    I think evil requires a knowledge of right and wrong, and no one is born with that.
     
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    brain wiring.

    yes some people are born with improper brain wiring for human compassion.


    Evil is not the same as having improper brain wiring.


    The actions of such people are not always evil.


    These people are about 4 in 100 people.

    1 will be female and 3 will be males.


    They dont have any emotional response to the pain or joy of another human being.


    They spend all the time you spend thinking about your loved ones thinking about how to get what they want out of people.


    sociopaths.


    The republican party calls them their heros.
     
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    Neither would we say a child is born good for the same reason. But that is too simple and sometimes we need to look at extremes. Consider gays or transsexuals or any number of behaviors that are rooted in the person and not some learned or reasoned behavior. What is the source of these behaviors? What leads to good or bad people and if it is only learned then can we say anyone is good or bad. Nature v Nurture returns.

    Consider Capgras or the person who feels their leg does not belong to them and they must get rid of it or psychopaths. In some cases brain injuries cause these actions but why in this particular form. Here's a piece to ponder.

    VS Ramachandran: 3 clues to understanding your brain | Video on TED.com


    Apotemnophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Everyone is born with the potential to commit evil acts.
     
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    I think the hardest thing to comprehend for me is that a child might be evil but I don't dismiss they could be.

    I would love to know what studies or examinations on the actual physical aspects of the brain have shown if anything.
     
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    I think sexual preference is more likely to be a genetic disposition you're born with. Not so sure about socio- or psychopaths, but it could also be genetic. But that leads to a question about evil - is it evil if you don't realize what you're is wrong?
     
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    I will answer that later with a reference to Hitler, our favorite evil.

    It may be that there are propensities rather than specific traits or genes. I have read that many CEO have psychopathic type personalities. Their behavior presents, by some interpretations a kind of careless, thoughtless activity that forgets moral boundaries. Having meet a few ceos I'd have to disagree, but then how do I know deep down where they get their emotions and ideas from? I was fascinated by how quickly Americans lost their sense of reflection after 911. 'Turn the other cheek' may be in the bible but few consider it. Any study of history shows fear, intolerance, excessive faith in one's own beliefs, dehumanization of others, victimizing, group think, ethnocentrism, xenophobia lead to bad places. When does empathy enter the conversation, I was listening to a conversation the other day on the so called fiscal cliff and the importance of a balanced approach. Now consider what that means morally. It means that some handicapped or poverty level children must give up some care and the wealthy person must forgo another Bentley. Exaggeration yes, but who suffers more.

    "Evil is not to be traced back to the individual but to the collective behavior of humanity." Reinhold Niebuhr
     
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    Hard to say, but the hit men I've known were not evil when we were younger
     

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