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Changing the methodology of support does not erase the support.Whatever you want to call Medicare is Medicare.
Here's a radical move: I'm going to call that program that's paid the hospital and physician bills of the elderly for 46 years "Medicare." You want to end that program and call your Anthem coupon "Medicare" in hopes nobody notices what happened. Talk about sleazy.
Enjoy the trip!!!Those mean nasty republicans are gonna throw granny down the stairs in her wheelchair.
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Well, yes. That is an apt description of Ryan's intentions.
not all premium support plans are equal, but they are all premium support plans. Your choosing this "one" model as the "only" model is disingenuous tripe.
A premium support with a sliding scale and gaurantteed coverage.
]You assume the support will have eroding value, a rather large assumption.
Also, medicare will still exist, it will just be transformed from a single payor fee for services program into a premium support program with sliding scales and gauranteed coverage.
What you said is not true, it does not "dismantle and elliminate every characteristic" of the program. Far as i know medicare advantage (a premium support plan)is a part of the program. I could care less what propoganda and demogoguery you chose to attack it with.not all premium support plans are equal, but they are all premium support plans. Your choosing this "one" model as the "only" model is disingenuous tripe.
I understand "premium support" probably does much better in focus groups than "voucher." Except the GOP's vouchers do little to support premiums, as their value is disconnected from premium levels. They're vouchers.
A premium support with a sliding scale and gaurantteed coverage.
A guaranteed issue rule doesn't lead to coverage if the beneficiary can't afford it.
]You assume the support will have eroding value, a rather large assumption.
Large assumption? That's the point of the proposal. That's why Ryan abandoned premium support for the voucher concept--it gets more obligations off the federal balance sheet faster. As the value of the voucher erodes, the feds end up being responsible for less and less of the cost of an average insurance package for the elderly (the balance, of course, shifts over to the beneficiary). The portion of an insurance plan the government is covering under the proposal drops 7 percent in the space of just 8 years (from covering 39% of plan costs to 32%):
The point of the vouchers isn't to save money (full stop) or cut costs, it's to save the government money. And it does that as the value of the vouchers erodes.
Also, medicare will still exist, it will just be transformed from a single payor fee for services program into a premium support program with sliding scales and gauranteed coverage.
I seem to be on the Sinn here and you're stuck on the Bedeutung. It doesn't matter to me if you call something else Medicare; I'm using Medicare to refer to the particular concept it embodies today. Dismantling that and eliminating every characteristic that makes it what it is today in favor of a voucher that you call "Medicare" is effectively ending it. Perhaps what you mean to say is that "the term 'Medicare' will still exist." That's certainly true.
Medicare (or CMS, rather) is a payer. It reimburses physicians and hospitals for services rendered to the elderly. If you eliminate that payer then no, it doesn't exist anymore. A voucher of eroding value to go buy an Aetna plan is not Medicare, no matter how badly the GOP faithful want to believe that calling it Medicare will make it so.
Whatever you want to call it, Medicare is Medicare. If you claim that it wouldn't be the same, what you're saying is that if we make any change whatsoever to Medicare, then we've "destroyed" it.
This is the sleaziest kind of propaganda imaginable, but that's what liberals excel at.
"The retirees are going to be taken care of; there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it," House Speaker John Boehner vowed in an interview with CBS last month. The plan's architect, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, has said time and again that the changes wouldn't affect anybody getting close to retirement. "We propose to not change the benefits for people above the age of 55," Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, insisted last week.
There's only one problem with the strategy: It's not true.
If Congress were to pass Ryan's plan and repeal the law, as House Republicans want, the 3 million to 4 million seniors left in the doughnut hole each year would immediately face significant out-of-pocket costs. They and all other Medicare beneficiaries would also lose access to a host of preventative-care benefits in the health care law, including free wellness visits to physicians, mammograms, colonoscopies, and programs to help smokers quit.
Perhaps more jolting, the Republican budget would cut spending on Medicaidhealth care for the poormuch of which goes to long-term care for the elderly. Some 9 million seniors qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid benefits, and about two-thirds of all nursing-home residents are covered by Medicaid.
Are seniors safe under GOP Medicare plan? - Yahoo! News
And the GOP can't understand why the vast majority Americans are so OPPOSED to this bullshit. I sure hope the GOP continues pushing this garbage. It will send them packing for40 years.
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"The retirees are going to be taken care of; there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it," House Speaker John Boehner vowed in an interview with CBS last month. The plan's architect, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, has said time and again that the changes wouldn't affect anybody getting close to retirement. "We propose to not change the benefits for people above the age of 55," Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, insisted last week.
There's only one problem with the strategy: It's not true.
If Congress were to pass Ryan's plan and repeal the law, as House Republicans want, the 3 million to 4 million seniors left in the doughnut hole each year would immediately face significant out-of-pocket costs. They and all other Medicare beneficiaries would also lose access to a host of preventative-care benefits in the health care law, including free wellness visits to physicians, mammograms, colonoscopies, and programs to help smokers quit.
Perhaps more jolting, the Republican budget would cut spending on Medicaidhealth care for the poormuch of which goes to long-term care for the elderly. Some 9 million seniors qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid benefits, and about two-thirds of all nursing-home residents are covered by Medicaid.
Are seniors safe under GOP Medicare plan? - Yahoo! News
And the GOP can't understand why the vast majority Americans are so OPPOSED to this bullshit. I sure hope the GOP continues pushing this garbage. It will send them packing for40 years.
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define "safe"...
Here's a radical move: I'm going to call that program that's paid the hospital and physician bills of the elderly for 46 years "Medicare." You want to end that program and call your Anthem coupon "Medicare" in hopes nobody notices what happened. Talk about sleazy.
Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Do you have a link to the Senate plan?Here's a radical move: I'm going to call that program that's paid the hospital and physician bills of the elderly for 46 years "Medicare." You want to end that program and call your Anthem coupon "Medicare" in hopes nobody notices what happened. Talk about sleazy.
Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Doesn't matter. Ryan's budget is DEAD.
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Do you have a link to the Senate plan?Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Doesn't matter. Ryan's budget is DEAD.
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Oh wait, that oine was aborted... like it was never alive!!!!
Hint for you buddy, only one form of any budget has passed either house.
Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Paid by whom? Seniors will get a about $5,000. from "Medicare" to buy insurance. That won't pay for one day in a hospital. Do you think a then 70 year old can buy insurance?
Sure they are
They are also the ones most in need of health care
they are also the ones Insurance companies want to cover the least
Shouldn't Obamacare have fixed that? Isn't "old" a preexisting condition?
It didn't need to be "fixed". It's why Democrats created the well liked program, "Medicare". The one Republicans are trying to destroy.
Where do you guys get this shit? The premium support starts at 15K per and included a sliding scale of up to 6400 more to cover poorer seniors at the start that grows to around 8K after a few years. Don't like it if you don't want, but at kleast get the facts right.Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Paid by whom? Seniors will get a about $5,000. from "Medicare" to buy insurance. That won't pay for one day in a hospital. Do you think a then 70 year old can buy insurance?
Ryan's plan includes both gaurenteed coverages and gaurenteed issue.Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Paid by whom? Seniors will get a about $5,000. from "Medicare" to buy insurance. That won't pay for one day in a hospital. Do you think a then 70 year old can buy insurance?
The law can be changed so that seniors can continue on whatever plan they were on when they retire. Or they can arrange a medical plan long before they retire, but the insurance company won't be able to back out. Insurance will become a long term contract, like a mortgage, rather than the month-to-month affair it is now.
Where do you guys get this shit? The premium support starts at 15K per and included a sliding scale of up to 6400 more to cover poorer seniors at the start that grows to around 8K after a few years. Don't like it if you don't want, but at kleast get the facts right.Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Paid by whom? Seniors will get a about $5,000. from "Medicare" to buy insurance. That won't pay for one day in a hospital. Do you think a then 70 year old can buy insurance?
This plan dismantles nothing. Everyone 55 or over is covered by Medicare in its current form. Anyone younger has 10 years to get themselves in order.
Is the plan perfect? Probably not but it is a plan to try to save Medicare. The Dems have no plan at all.
Where do you guys get this shit? The premium support starts at 15K per and included a sliding scale of up to 6400 more to cover poorer seniors at the start that grows to around 8K after a few years. Don't like it if you don't want, but at kleast get the facts right.
Ryan's plan includes both gaurenteed coverages and gaurenteed issue.
Senior's will continue to get their medical bills paid under Ryan's budget, so according to your definition of the term, it doesn't abolish medicare.
Paid by whom? Seniors will get a about $5,000. from "Medicare" to buy insurance. That won't pay for one day in a hospital. Do you think a then 70 year old can buy insurance?
The law can be changed so that seniors can continue on whatever plan they were on when they retire. Or they can arrange a medical plan long before they retire, but the insurance company won't be able to back out. Insurance will become a long term contract, like a mortgage, rather than the month-to-month affair it is now.
