Are people basically good?

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    Nope. They don’t do bad for bad’s sake.

    In fact all of these people who treat others like shit for no other than they have different beliefs than them, have rationalized they deserved it. That treating them with disrespect is the moral thing to do because they are fighting evil.

    You prove God exists with your behaviors.
     
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    Some people are bad and know they are bad. Cartel hitmen... Heroin dealers... Bullies...
     
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    Umm, yes.
     
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    I don't but I don't believe I'm "bad" either

    I am not black or white. I am beige
     
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    The US government passes some 40,000 new laws and regulations every year.

    How bad must we all be?
     
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    Thanks.

    I would agree that in the end love will prevail, so long as the source of such love is more powerful than all else, which I believe it is.

    As for this world, money and power rules, not love, even though we have an innate sense that love is really all that matters.

    I also have faith, but not in humanity. Look at world history. Most men have either been a slave of the state or forced to fight for the state. And don't get me started on the history of genocide.
     
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    My point was that laws are irrelevant to the topic. We can't say we're bad because we have laws (after all, can't laws be passed by bad people?), and we can't say we're good because we repeal laws (because we still have laws).
     
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    Laws are a moral judgement. You say that one behavior is "good" and another is "bad".

    And if we were inherently good, we would not need such laws, or at best, all we would need to do is inform people of the various laws once so they will abide by them. There is no getting around it.

    But yes, bad people pass bad laws, just like Hitler which adds to my point. If they were inherently good, why did they?
     
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    When we pass laws to pass moral judgments - that's where the conflict begins.

    Laws cannot take a moral side. Not even laws restricting murder, rape, and other violent crimes. In America, people have a right to life and liberty. These are the kinds of reasons for passing laws. If laws could successfully protect peoples' right to life, then no one would be murdered.

    Morality is not an issue.

    I think that when a society recognizes its social values, then it recognizes rights and then subsequently the morality of the individuals therein.
     
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    No.
    As in hell no.

    Children are born as wholly selfish.
    As they become toddlers and aware of other people etc. - they are still extremely selfish, bad tempered and show little care for others. (thus the term "terrible twos")
    This natural selfish behavior must be taught out of them, compassion for others etc. - these are all learned behaviors. Some accept these behaviors better than others, but ALL children are born selfish brats.
    We learn from our parents and surroundings that it is not acceptable to act that way.
     

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