Are people basically good?

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Are people basically good?

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  2. no

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  3. I'm too incapable of rational thought to give a yes or no.

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  1. Votto
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    To answer this question, we should first define what "good" means to each of us, and then answer.

    What say you?
     
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    Not yes or no. Humans are equally capable of being good and evil, often simultaneously.
     
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    Are people basically good?


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    People bad. Orcs good!
     
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    Dogs are good.

    Cats are not good.

    People are not good.
     
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    By the standards of Complete Depravity, we are good. This is the standard by which we prefer to compare ourselves, because we come out "smelling like a rose". You will see even serial killers on death row doing this. We ALL do it.

    However, sadly...

    That is not the standard by which we will be accepted. Since God is perfect, He cannot accept anything less than perfection. That is called Holiness. It is the opposite of Complete Depravity. We hate to compare ourselves to His perfection because we know we fall far short.

    But there is One who took on our lack of goodness and gives us imputed Righteousness. We did nothing to deserve this--we can DO nothing to deserve this. It is a free gift.

    So that was the long answer. The short answer: are we good? Well, we're made in the image of God, so we're not depraved. But we don't have Holiness. We can attain imputed righteousness however: "And this not of ourselves, lest anyone should boast."--Ephesians 2:8-9
     
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    I've seen good people do bad and bad people do good...
     
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    Yes . . . "but . . . "

    Fundamental good is any behavior which promotes or defends life, truth, honesty, compassion, personal responsibility, maturity to edit one's own behavior, fact, and peaceful coexistence with caveats among many others.

    Good can shatter on the rocks of what is best for the individual over the stranger, and rapidly turn into survival. Thus instinct can overrule fundamental good. However, the best of us humans manage somehow to take good care ourselves and our families while when possible still living by a code of "right" behavior and helping others without harming ourselves. Somewhere in the act of living right while still surviving well courage is born.

    Truth or telling the truth or being honest at all times in both word and action is pure righteous power and demonstration of courage. The truth comes with consequences every time. Not lying for fear of other peoples reaction to hearing the truth is good character on high. Tell the truth enough times to enough people over enough years and everyone in your life will recognize the power you wield and treat you accordingly with utmost respect.

    Personal Responsibility is the foundation of the human soul. Where the armies of nations can oppress the people for the ruling class who can exist free of consequence of bad behavior until they meet their end, we individuals must act responsibly and understand the consequences if we do not. Freedom is only worth something if we can self-edit our behaviors to allow us to coexist in mutually beneficial relationships with each other. Individual freedom cannot override the freedom of another individual. When that happens we call it oppression.

    Rectitude is righteousness as a consequence of being honest and honorable. We all strive for, demonstrate it often as possible but can never be the embodiment of it. Consequences for our behaviors can be both good and bad. One good person, as a leader, can change an entire community, city or even nation.

    Now, the Bad . . .

    People are complex beyond complex; their motivation for behaviors even more so, and what's worse: sometimes our subconscious sort of does things automatically without conscious intent which places these kinds of unintentional actions outside the constraints of morality or much forethought. Survival, instinct, lust, hunger, thirst, want--all pathways for the desire to do good to be left on the side of the road to hell. But we're all just human, right?

    Most important life strategy I think is to not let ourselves get trapped in positions of desperation where our subconscious is bound to takeover and push us to act out in wrong or bad ways. Even if we can do that, however, as humans we'd still need to overcome emotion which either in the moment or long term can motivate us to do some pretty damned stupid stunts.

    All in all being good or bad is a balancing act between right and wrong on the ballasts of free will and personal responsibility. Further, we humans are always seeking justification for doing even the slightest of what we perceive to be "bad" behaviors, from eating an extra bite of chocolate cake, to fishing close to the power plant when clearly legible signs tell us not to. Justification for bad behavior, or rather avoiding it, is one hell of a huge hurdle on the road to being a good person.

    Overall, being bad or doing wrong is very easy, and sometimes we don't even know what we're doing until it's too late. Being good and doing right is much harder and takes serious personal effort and endless work. Humans often lean toward doing good naturally, but it's very easy for us to get sidetracked or tempted away off the path.
     
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    People in my little world, and in my life are good or you are eliminated from my life.
     
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    People are basically flawed. They WANT to be good, but they're inclined to be bad.
     
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