Are Modern Democrats Just Socialists by Another Name?

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Are modern Democrats Just Socialists by Another Name

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  1. Publius1787
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    Are modern Democrats Just Socialists by Another Name?

    Upton Sinclair: "The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label. I certainly proved it in the case of EPIC. Running on the Socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes, and running on the slogan to 'End Poverty in California' I got 879,000. I think we simply have to recognize the fact that our enemies have succeeded in spreading the Big Lie. There is no use attacking it by a front attack, it is much better to out-flank them."


    More Socialists

    Elena Kagan’s Socialist College Thesis Dedicated to her Radical Brother HERE
    Obamas' Former Car Czars' Socialist Publications HERE AND HERE
    Hillary Clintons' College thesison Saul Alinsky HERE
    Obamas' Communication Directer Praising Mao HERE
    Obamas' Communist Green Czar Van Jones HERE
    Other Radicals in the White House HERE AND HERE
    More on the Congressional Progressive Caucus HERE.




    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O00vEv8QXLU]Maxine Waters Admits She's a Socialist - YouTube[/ame]

    Obama Supreme Court justice Quoting Socialist Norman Thomas
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    Appointees by Barack Obama who were Members of the Democratic Socialists of America

    Ron Bloom Manufacturing Czar.
    David Bonior Member of the Obama Economic Transition Team-now delegated by president Obama to negotiate the unification of the AFL-CIO and Change to Win labor federations.
    Rosa Brooks Senior advisor to the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Michele Flournoy.
    Carol Browner Energy Czar/Director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy.
    Heather Higginbottom Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, formerly with the Obama for America campaign
    Samantha Power National Security Council, as director for multilateral affairs.
    Hilda Solis Secretary of Labor.


    DSA Members who worked/works on Obamas Election Campaign

    Harry Boyte Co-chairof the Civic Engagement Group of Barack Obama’s U.S. presidential campaign.
    Eliseo Medina Served on Obama's Latino Advisory Council.
    Cornel West Served on Obama's National Black Advisory Council.
    Jose LaLuz also served as president of Latinos for Obama.


    More on Obama and the Democratic Socialists of America HERE


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    Notice Obamas' Name at the Bottom of the Flyer?


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    That's what the Progressives are progressing toward, a system with a 100% guaranteed fail rate
     
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    They are Progressives.


    Which is worse.
     
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    I think there’s no doubt left among rational thinking Americans. The Democrat Party is the modern party of socialism, if not watered down socialism. Nevertheless, every country has a vibrant socialist party but us. Why? Democrats fill the necessary void.
     
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    The OP poster assumes that calling someone a socialist has some specific meaning and that meaning is known. The problem with this lack of thinking is that socialism as used by wingnuts on the right has no meaning. It is associated in their limited minds with totalitarian, dictatorships, and communism, the wingnut does not understand these conceptual political philosophies either but that does not matter. Rational thought is missing from the minds of right wing ideologues. The level of their thinking is the school yard moron who can only name call and thinks in the name calling they have done something.

    Now consider what socialism is and then consider today it is part and parcel of all modern societies. Government owns and operated numerous entities in America, ironically the people on the right who name call work in this very socialist community. The postal service, the roads, bridges, food inspection, health concerns and testing, internet creation, social security, airport regulation, even sports' stadium creation are all socialistic endeavors and all exist in America. Medicare and the military are socialistic.

    Wingnuts live in a bubble that creates a narrow minded view of life and it is why in power they are such failures. In power they fail. In power they have never accomplished a single thing that was good for all America. But out of power, money bring them back to life and they whine and cry like children.
     
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    Are you retarded? I'm not asking to be provocative or mean, I'm serious.

    If you have some form of mental retardation it would account for this "The postal service, the roads, bridges, food inspection, health concerns and testing, internet creation, social security, airport regulation, even sports' stadium creation are all socialistic endeavors and all exist in America. Medicare and the military are socialistic."
     
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    Here is your social/welfare programs ----->>> U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    Wow, I noticed that you are defending socialism. It’s almost that you’re lamenting that people are just too stupid to accept the idea of socialism. And sure, socialism is a form of dictatorial governance, where individual liberty takes second place to forced equality. Where no matter how hard you work or how skilled you become, you’re just the same as the next Joe over (See why unions denounce merit in favor of seniority). There is a reason why most socialist and communist countries are run by hard line dictators. When we think socialism or communism, we think Maxamillion Robespierre, Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler (Yes NAZI = Nationalist Socialist German Workers party), Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Castro, Che Guevara (Every liberals hero), Hugo Chavez, Ho Chi Minh, Benito Mussolini (Yes he was a lifelong socialist before he changed to fascist, socialisms’ little cousin), Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un, Kim Il Sung, Trotsky, etc etc etc… In every country that pure socialism has been tried it has ended up in mass starvations, death, no individual rights, and tyranny. In every country that has tried partial socialism, their socialist programs have gone bankrupt; unless of course, your one of those countries that have a worldwide monopoly. Those Programs yo speak of? Social security (BANKRUPT), Medicare (BANKRUPT), The Postal Service (BANKRUPT), Air Port Regulation (Cost ineffective and lead to many Airline Bankruptcy’s), The TSA ( Laughable in comparison to private security whom actually pass their random fake bomb tests), Medicaid (BANKRUPT), The Military (Not allowed to unionize and everyone willing to sacrifice their lives for their country want to be there to serve, not for money).The military also votes Republican 4 to 1. Go figure.

    Now, I see your crying about money in politics. Funny that the liberal interpretation of Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution (Not that you’ve ever read it) allows for your precious federal welfare/social and opened up the gateway to both individual welfare and corporate welfare, releasing the floodgates to lobbying and special interests. The Conservative view would have allowed for spending only for the enumerated powers (Not that you know what those are). That’s what we got with FDR who bullied the Supreme Court (See the switch in time that saved the 9).

    Now how about this. Let’s use a little federalism. Let all your blue states become socialist states on their own. But no, you want the federal government to force all of the states to do the same socialist programs and why? Because liberals/socialists know that if one state became socialist then every person and every business who is worth a crap will move to a red state where they can prosper. Which is going on right now, believe it or not, according to the 2010 census with all of the blue state flight in to red states with lower taxes, less welfare programs, affordable prices, and conservative government. Wherever socialism has been tried it has failed. And that’s why modern democrats are socialists by another name. Obviously a fact that you don’t dispute.

    Accomplished nothing for America? Private Property rights, individual liberty, and the idea that if you succeed, the success is your own, and if you fail, the failure is your own, is the driving force on what makes America Great. We put individual liberty before equality and we have a great deal of both. In all countries where equality has been placed before liberty they received neither. Whereas we have the unalienable, indisputable, irrefutable, self-evident right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness, and not the “guarantee” of happiness. The value of my life is not how much I can contribute to society, but how much I can contribute to myself via hard work. No one owes you a dime for squirting out babies that you cant afford and no one owes you a living. Thats what makes America Great!



     
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    No more than modern republicans are fascists by another name – to refer to democrats as ‘socialists’ or republicans as ‘fascists’ is equally idiotic.

    Indeed, with regard to democrats, it’s particularly moronic to refer to them as ‘socialists’ given the fact democrats participate in, and are advocates of, free markets and capitalism.
     
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    Everyone but Americans know socialist means intelligent fair capitalists for at least 60 years.
     

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