Are Libertarians Closet Anarchists?

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    We've argued over the house left to burn because the homeowner failed to pay an optional fee for fire protection, and many "Libertarians'" or conservatives have argued vehemently against using the taxing power of government to assure fire protection for every structure.

    Fine, fine fine....but it left me wondering, what do Libertarians see as essential government services?

    I'm sure there's no one universally-accepted Libertarian hymnal, but I have read so often on USMB that "education is never mentioned in the constitution" and "the general welfare clause does not support Obamacare", etc. I am fairly certain most Libertarians are opposed to any social program whatsoever. Am I correct in this?

    What about national defense? Immigration and border protection?

    How about currency, banking regulation etc.? Any role for government in this vein considered to be essential by Libertarians?

    What about criminal law and justice? Would a Libertarian support anti-drug or anti-abortion laws? Anti-suicide laws? Anti-murder laws?

    We could just close all government offices and declare the US is now a ginormous commune. Does that appeal to a Libertarian?

    Just how close is a Libertarian to an anarchist?


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    The fee was NOT OPTIONAL. You either paid it for service or you got no service. No option at all. Pay and be covered, don't pay and not be covered.

    I personally find that a foolish way to run an essential service. The city should REQUIRE payment or enact a tax to cover the Fire Department. But it is their city and they are free to use what ever system they want.

    Libertarians are just a notch up from anarchy. They do not believe Government above local has any authority over them ( or rather shouldn't) They believe that a court should be used to solve problems not the Government via enforced laws. A Local Court of course.

    In my case here in NC we have volunteer fire Departments outside the city. They do fund raisers during the year and I always contribute.
     
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    I like the colbert quote from a while back: "The government's role is to not ask what I'm doing on my compound."

    if "libertarians" were true to their principles, yes, libertarianism essentially means absolute freedom of the individual - hence, anarchy. but then that anarchy would quickly evolve into government in a different form, that of varying factions and gangs, because throughout all of history humans have never been able to resist the urge to have power over others, and these would eventually form states.
    government and law is a natural, inevitable tendency, and should be embraced, not inherently feared. thats what's known as civilization.
     
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    RGS, what do Libertarians view as "local government"? Do they want the US dissolved?
     
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    True freedom is anarchy. Our founders created a document to ensure maximum freedom without tipping us over into anarchy. I see nothing wrong with that.
     
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    No offense, Mads but how the fuck do you know how to vote cuz sometimes you ask some really, really dumb questions.

    If I were you, I would educate myself on each of the main parties so you actually know who you're supporting.
     
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    Theres no civilization without a firm pillar of government beneath it. Humans couldnt have survived without this instinct. True freedom is chaos and destruction.
     
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    I call myself a libertarian and do not believe I am an anarchist.

    As far as "essential" government services go I would ask you to define essential. A certain amount of government is a necessary evil but I do not feel that most of what government does these days is essential.
     
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    I think you better look up the definition of instinct.
     

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