Are liberals more like animals or American Indians?

the cause of blacks in jail is not from welfare, .

so then why is the liberal so afraid to tell us why they went to jail exactly when LBJ subjected them to liberal welfare??? what does your fear tell you??

"We could survive slavery, we could survive Jim Crow, but we could not survive liberalism"- Walter Williams

there was a large black population in jails before welfare
 
sadly if you're independent it means you're independent of the brains to make a decision. Hope you don't go crazy in the voting booth flip flopping in a small space like that?

Yes, Edward, I must be a real idiot for thinking that folks on both sides of the political spectrum have good ideas to bring to the conversation. I must have forgotten that only your points are valid and everyone else on the planet who doesn't agree with you must be completely incorrect, given that you obviously know everything....

Douche....


Also, you say you're confused about welfare? How stupid is that when its been growing for 50 years and 50% of black men are in jail? If it grows and fails for another 50 years will you still be confused??

When did I say I was confused about welfare? For starters, all I did was give the general gist of what the right and left tend to think about welfare; I didn't give my own opinion of it at all.


See why we say liberals are slow? If you had lived in 1930's Germany you would have been confused between Nazis and Communists! Please pass on this great lesson I have shared with you, liberal. Thanks

Great lesson Edward? Forgive my rudeness, but I don't think you're capable of teaching anyone anything of value. You're a polarizing propaganda machine that feeds this board with a continual stream of senseless garbage.
 
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Socialism? You mean where every industry within a society is shared and collectively owned?

too stupid and perfectly liberal

1) BO is a trojan horse
2) he just took over health care so why not all industries ???
3) modern socialism is taxes and welfare not outright ownership. Libs like stalin and Mao cant manage a business
4) BO has government to 26% of GNP and $4 trillion, how big is big when you had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders?


"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."-Norman Thomas, sociallist candidate for president
 
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You know what Edward, I think you're pretty thick headed. Why? Because you seem to hold this idea that everyone on the left falls on the extreme end of the spectrum and wants the US to be this communist nation where the government controls every aspect of our lives.

you lack the IQ to know you are being used. BO had two Communist parents!

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

Socialism? You mean where every industry within a society is shared and collectively owned? Give me a break; the United States is nowhere close to any sort of a setup like that, and Obama's never suggested one. Not once. And you're right, most people don't want socialism or communism because again - we're a country of moderates, and a mix of both worlds (free market and limited gov't intervention).

You're being a drama queen here.

You live in the world of baseless assumptions (well, if President's dad believed X, then the President definitely now believes in X without a doubt!), and the fairytale and extreme idea that we're somehow headed towards the apocalypse if Barack Obama were to serve an additional term. You sound like a paranoid grandma. Time to get real.

Read some predominately liberal boards and you will see that is EXACTLY what they want -- socialism. Remember the Germans wouldn't believe anything bad about Hitler either, until it was too late. Wait till Obama gets re-elected. He's been real careful not to utter those words exactly, but enough of what he DOES say leads me to believe that's exactly what he wants. The people he chooses, many of them, feel that way, they've said so: Van Jones for one. One by one our freedoms are being taken away.
 
too stupid and perfectly liberal

For one thing, I'm not even that liberal (in the traditional sense). I may be "progressive" on the social issues, but when it comes to government I've always been a proponent of lower taxes and the "less is more" mentality. You make enemies with people who might actually share views with you, how idiotic is that?


1) BO is a trojan horse
I don't share this sort of apocalyptic "hidden plan" view with you. I think it's far fetched.


2) he just took over health care so why not all industries ???
For starters, healthcare is unique, namely because consumers have no idea about the price of anything, nor do they have a grasp on the quality of what they're purchasing. Because the consumers are no longer "choosing" in the traditional sense, and driving efficiency through choice (picking winners and losers), many people feel it's either the government or the insurance companies who will make the final decision on who gets what, and therefore there's an argument that the gov't should control this industry in particular. Point I'm making is that the reasons used for gov't involvement in Healthcare can't be applied to other industries.

Secondly, "Obamacare" is in no way universal socialized healthcare, so to say "he took over" the industry is wrong and misleading.


3) modern socialism is taxes and welfare not outright ownership. Libs like stalin and Mao cant manage a business

Uh... bit of a stretch, and kind of melding whatever you can find to fit your argument.



4) BO has government to 26% of GNP and $4 trillion, how big is big when you had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders?

Gov't spending has been up ever since the Iraq War and the Bailout that was kicked off by George Bush. We're in a recession, and it's not unusual to think that the government would naturally dish out money to our social safety net programs during this time of need.
 
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Read some predominately liberal boards and you will see that is EXACTLY what they want -- socialism. Remember the Germans wouldn't believe anything bad about Hitler either, until it was too late. Wait till Obama gets re-elected. He's been real careful not to utter those words exactly, but enough of what he DOES say leads me to believe that's exactly what he wants. The people he chooses, many of them, feel that way, they've said so: Van Jones for one. One by one our freedoms are being taken away.

I'd like to imagine that people who find themselves posting on predominately liberal boards are the fringe "hardcore lefties". You can find the same extremism on the right. Point I want to make is that the majority of America is either just right of center, or just left of center.

And Nazi Germany - are you really making the comparison between Germany 1930 and the leadup to the Nazis murdering six million Jews to the situation in the United States today? I think that comparison is inappropriate regardless of the point you're trying to make.

And to be honest, I’m not a big fan of Obama, and not glad that he signed the NDAA 2012 bill – for instance. But note that a lot of this unchecked Executive Power comes directly thanks to the Bush Administration and the Bush years so why are we only blaming the Democrats? Why can't we see past the party lines and realize there are authoritarian crazies on both sides of the spectrum. I mean just look at Santorum - talking about cracking down and banning "hardcore pornography"? Why is it always the Dems that are accused of an overreaching government?

Also, the NDAA 2012 bill was a bipartisian piece of legislation – again, how can this only be blamed on the Democrats, or even worse - a single person?
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why strawman?? Liberals would have us believe communism worked somewhere but it doesn't with animals, indians, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

where does sharing the wealth work??

You're wrong. If liberals look to animals and native-Americans, it's because of their lesser effect on the land than modern society, NOT because of some strawman argument about Communism.

Let's see, perhaps you should bone up on early Indians' culture. to name but a few: it was survival of the fittest, a baby born deformed was killed, somebody didn't pull their weight, they were banished. Old people were banished to some yonder outpost of the village to die. They were impressed with bravery and strength. They were NOT vegetarians. they hunted animals and ate them. Used every bit of the animal for tools, dishes, clothes. They didn't blame anybody when they had a unproductive hunt, that was life. They had taboos and they stuck to them, woe be to the one who broke them.

Beg to differ, maybe you should be the one to bone up on early Native American cultures.
Not all were alike. Some had a very humanistic culuture.
Again, another boneheaded comment by someone that wants to be right no matter how wrong their are.
 
Any rights we have are a direct result of our banding together and forming governments. Even native-Americans knew that and the Indians, too! :D

In fact, America was formed to protect our natural rights, most important among them is the right to private property.

There's no such thing as a natural right to property. In nature, if I'm stronger than you, I take your property. CASE CLOSED

That is about as natural as it gets.
 
There's no such thing as a natural right to property. In nature, if I'm stronger than you, I take your property. CASE CLOSED

and now you know why Jefferson formed the American government, ie to protect one's natural right to his property.

IF folks felt they had no rights to their property they would not have had reason to form our government. A liberal does not think?

I didn't say they didn't have rights to their property. Just that they got them from government, formed because of a desire to protect themselves and their property. It's not natural in any way that I'm aware. We also send out groups of armed men to kill each other. That's hardly natural either, but a sad product of our banding together.

Opposing armed groups killing other groups to take things from those groups for the original group's use is a lot more like the true nature of animals (of which men are on species) than those same armed groups killing and robbing other groups so that they can give those ill-gotten chattels to some other, unrelated tribe with "needs".
 
Confused, eh? Just remember, there's nothing wrong with that. Thank a liberal that we're moving past that crap and be your true self.

Yeah, Thanks a lot! Oh well, you liberals haven't perfected the art of mind reading though, have you?

That's right, it's more like a feeling. :lol:

Now that's a liberal original. Base everything on a feeling. No need to think, no need to reason, no need to make sense of anything...as long as you have feelings.
 
Liberals speak favorably of animals and Indians because animals and Indians share the wealth and minimize the importance of personal land and property. Society matters, not the individual. As BO would communistically say, "we're all in this together."

In reality animals and Indians are very very territorial or possessive. If another tries to invade their property war will usually result because they know personal property is necessary for survival.

So much for another important aspect of liberalism.

Are you just stupid or a really big fat moron? :lol:
 
Now that's a liberal original. Base everything on a feeling. No need to think, no need to reason, no need to make sense of anything...as long as you have feelings.

Yes, liberals are essentially bigots. They "feel" morally superior merely because they support various welfare programs. That the programs actually cripple people and that government is broke is simply beyond their ability to consider. A liberal cant think, he can only feel.
 
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