Are Illegal Aliens Costing America, Or Not?

[Johnney]

you sure questioned my comments...however cutting benefits to illegals could be accomplished with the swipe of a pen local and federal...say laws requiring anyone receiving Medicaid,food stamps cash payments via welfare and schooling must be a legal resident...no more draining SSA coffers to supplement state welfare programs for illegals...

As for jobs anyone or any company who hires a illegal worker should be fined heavely...don't ask how is this possible...because I do not buy this argument put forward by companies who state... well we checked their SS card and it looked legitment...not buying this argument as the age of the PC has made it very easy to verify just about anyones past and legal status!

Also a law requiring welfare receipients to accept minimum wage jobs to supplement their benefits...and limit their benefits to medicaid and food stamps eliminate the cash benefit while they are working.


Surely you would agree this would be a good start...and taking away benefits to illegals would have them scrambling for home...would not cost a dime to 'export'(pun) them!

this all sounds good, and im all for it. but there is one problem. all the big business that uses illegals because they work cheap and dont complain. they will be crying in their milk if this shuold happen.

 

[sitarro]

this all sounds good, and im all for it. but there is one problem. all the big business that uses illegals because they work cheap and dont complain. they will be crying in their milk if this shuold happen.

Working on golf courses around the country I have found 1 out of 100 that had anything but spanish only speaking workers in the maintenance department.Usually 1 or 2 will speak some broken English and will communicate between the course superintendent and the masses. I have seen them payed in cash at the end of the week, many hang around drinking beer in the parking lot.

The claim is that they will do the work that Americans won't do, that is crap. They will do the work for money that the American won't do it for, big difference. I worked cutting fairways when I was a kid, I also worked battery watering carts, shitty jobs but it was work and I was payed a reasonable wage for it. The golf courses aren't forced to pay a decent wage anymore because there is an army of semiqualified dirt and grass movers and cutters that will work for nothing. . . same is happening in and around most businesses. They not only get away with paying less they also don't pay social security or any other taxes on these undocumented workers.

 

[007]

Getting back to my first post, it clearly shows how illegal immigrants cost the state of Arizona huge money. Far out weighing any contribution illegals may be good for. What hasn't been pointed out here is that the illegal tidal wave from mexico invading America has a very large "criminal" contingency. Not all illegals are goody, goodies looking for a shit job that Americans won't do. They're here to make a fast buck also. By stealing, selling drugs, or to join a gang.

The illegals here in America are NOT good here. Plain and simple, they are criminals, according to our present laws. America should begin making a concerted effort to run down and deport all illegals. We should also put our military on the border, and make it known that wet backs attempting to evade once detected, into America, you'll be shot. We should also levy huge fines on anyone or any business hiring an illegal. It's their job to KNOW whether that person is legal or illegal. If you have any doubt, DON'T HIRE THEM.

If the above was implemented, I'd be willing to bet mexico would squeal like a stuck pig, and they'd be MORE than willing to HELP, because such a huge percentage of what illegals make here gets sent back to mexico, if the titt ran dry, they'd certainly want to fix it. That would be the time to tell them to clean up their act. Police their own border. HELP! Then begin helping mexicans who want to come to America the RIGHT way. Learn english, get a work visa, show you truely want to be LEGAL. I'd welcome those people with open American arms.

But the illegals that are here now... sorry... they gotta go. Either back to mexico, or to jail.

 

[dilloduck]

Getting back to my first post, it clearly show how illegal immigrants cost the state of Arizona huge money. Far out weighing any contribution illegals may be good for. What hasn't been pointed out here is that the illegal tidal wave from mexico invading America has a very large "criminal" contigency. Not all illegals are goody, goodies looking for a shit job that Americans won't do. They're here to make a fast buck also. By stealing, selling drugs, or to join a gang.

The illegals here in America are NOT good here. Plain and simple, they are criminals, according to our present laws. America should begin making a concerted effort to run down and deport all illegals. We should also put our military on the border, and make it known that wet backs attempting to evade once detected, into America, you'll be shot. We should also levy huge fines on anyone or any business hiring an illegal. It's their job to KNOW whether that person is legal or illegal. If you have any doubt, DON'T HIRE THEM.

If the above was implemented, I'd be willing to bet mexico would squeal like a stuck pig, and they'd be MORE than willing to HELP, because such a huge percentage of what illegals make here gets sent back to mexico, if the titt ran dry, they'd certainly want to fix it. That would be the time to tell them to clean up their act. Police their own border. HELP! Then begin helping mexicans who want to come to America the RIGHT way. Learn english, get a work visa, show you truely want to be LEGAL. I'd welcome those people with open American arms.

But the illegals that are here now... sorry... they gotta go. Either back to mexico, or to jail.

They are Indians----Mexico should repay their mistreated people by giving them a reservation to live on. Can't anyone see the wisdom and profitability of Aztec Casinos? They should not have to run to America. ERECT THOSE CASINOS, VINCENTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Annie]

Getting back to my first post, it clearly shows how illegal immigrants cost the state of Arizona huge money. Far out weighing any contribution illegals may be good for. What hasn't been pointed out here is that the illegal tidal wave from mexico invading America has a very large "criminal" contingency. Not all illegals are goody, goodies looking for a shit job that Americans won't do. They're here to make a fast buck also. By stealing, selling drugs, or to join a gang.

The illegals here in America are NOT good here. Plain and simple, they are criminals, according to our present laws. America should begin making a concerted effort to run down and deport all illegals. We should also put our military on the border, and make it known that wet backs attempting to evade once detected, into America, you'll be shot. We should also levy huge fines on anyone or any business hiring an illegal. It's their job to KNOW whether that person is legal or illegal. If you have any doubt, DON'T HIRE THEM.

If the above was implemented, I'd be willing to bet mexico would squeal like a stuck pig, and they'd be MORE than willing to HELP, because such a huge percentage of what illegals make here gets sent back to mexico, if the titt ran dry, they'd certainly want to fix it. That would be the time to tell them to clean up their act. Police their own border. HELP! Then begin helping mexicans who want to come to America the RIGHT way. Learn english, get a work visa, show you truely want to be LEGAL. I'd welcome those people with open American arms.

But the illegals that are here now... sorry... they gotta go. Either back to mexico, or to jail.

Tried to rep, but couldn't. I don't agree with shooting them, but yes to deporting them...

 

[007]

Tried to rep, but couldn't. I don't agree with shooting them, but yes to deporting them...

Just something that would show them we mean business. Something that would put the fear in them, and stop the flow.

 

[Gunny]

Just something that would show them we mean business. Something that would put the fear in them, and stop the flow.

M-60s mounted on Hummers?

 

[pegwinn]

Damn, not often I am the liberal in any discussion.

M60's on hummers only work for crowd control. The rodney king riots come to mind. Shooting immigrants would work in the short term. But in the long term would only spark lawsuits and bad press that would backfire on us. For simple proof, look at the Marine that shot Hernandez kid.

Criminals should do time then be deported.
Business should be responsible to vett employees.

Most importantly, Americans should get over the streak of laziness and greed that allows the situation to come to pass.

 

[Annie]

Damn, not often I am the liberal in any discussion.

M60's on hummers only work for crowd control. The rodney king riots come to mind. Shooting immigrants would work in the short term. But in the long term would only spark lawsuits and bad press that would backfire on us. For simple proof, look at the Marine that shot Hernandez kid.

Criminals should do time then be deported.
Business should be responsible to vett employees.

Most importantly, Americans should get over the streak of laziness and greed that allows the situation to come to pass.

Yeah, I'm trying to control myself, not to ding the liberal you!