Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

[bripat9643]

o your reply.

All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people.

It is not a matter of redistribution from above to below. It is more of a matter of the filthy rich looking to the poor and paying their fair share.

There is a graph in the O.P. If you cannot see how it shows how immoral the socio economic demographic pyramid is, then you do not know how to read one.

Go back and educate yourself, please.

So I have a transmission problem. I bring it to your transmission shop and pay you fairly for the repair. How did I take advantage of you?

If I decide to buy a car, buy a house, hire a lawn care company, nobody is taking advantage of anybody else because all parties were in agreement.

So if I apply for a job, and the job pays X amount of money and benefits, the employer is not taking advantage of me by me accepting his offer; provided he or she lives up to their end of the agreement.

All great wealth does not happen by taking advantage of anybody. Great wealth is produced by manufacturing a product or service for a profit. That's it.

Imagine you have a transmission problem. There are two transmissions shops. You can bring it to my shop, I pay full taxes and it'll cost you $500 to fix. But Big Fuckios down the road, they're a multinational shop and they'll charge you $350 to fix the transmission. They can do this because they don't pay much tax at all.

Which one are you going to go to? Is this a fair thing to happen in society?

In other words, they broke the law. You believe that proves your point?

 

[monkrules]

As long as the rich are able to buy our politicians through campaign 'donations', those politicians will do what their donors tell them to do. Big money, whether from individuals or corporations, owns this government. Our politicians spend their lives on their knees, in front of their rich donors. They're all out for themselves.

'Our' government will never be responsive to the needs or wants of ordinary Americans, except in a cosmetic way. Our corrupt politicians' self-interests all lie with the rich.

 

[my2¢]

I've felt that the rich always have more interest in the government's rule in protecting their way of life than the poor. Thus I've no problem with a progressive income tax.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

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Yes the liberal

How pathetic.

I guess you missed this link that shows that all politicians are dirty.

20 years of data reveals that Congress doesn't care what you think.

To blind to see past your own right wing bubble and the huge tax break for the rich Trump is trying to push through.

Regards
DL

I guess you missed this link that shows that all politicians are dirty.

I guess you are too stupid not to see that I said "Establishment". That means all those in Washington DC that are corrupt. But alas it is hard to see what others post when it comes to liberal thinking.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've felt that the rich always have more interest in the government's rule in protecting their way of life than the poor. Thus I've no problem with a progressive income tax.

Yes......well......if you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul’s of you society generally have no objection to it.


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[GreatestIam]

Yes. People in power use their power to make themselves more powerful.

IT seems that some Americans still want to give government even more power at their own expense.

We need full-auto weapons to keep these 1%ers from fucking us over.

Try persuasion.

The world needs a French type revolution but there are not enough people willing to grow French balls.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

Why shouldn't they retain their wealth? Do you believe the mob should be allowed to loot them?

Following those links and educating yourself would have been a good starting position for you to understand the fact that you are a slave to an oligarch.

To your reply.

All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people.

It is not a matter of redistribution from above to below. It is more of a matter of the filthy rich looking to the poor and paying their fair share.

There is a graph in the O.P. If you cannot see how it shows how immoral the socio economic demographic pyramid is, then you do not know how to read one.

Go back and educate yourself, please.

Regards
DL

"All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people."

Who did Henry Ford take advantage of? Steve Jobs? Jeff Bezos?

Labor and the market. Do you know anything about how an economy and business works?

If profits do not come from a workforce and markets for the products, where do you think it comes from?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

o your reply.

All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people.

It is not a matter of redistribution from above to below. It is more of a matter of the filthy rich looking to the poor and paying their fair share.

There is a graph in the O.P. If you cannot see how it shows how immoral the socio economic demographic pyramid is, then you do not know how to read one.

Go back and educate yourself, please.

So I have a transmission problem. I bring it to your transmission shop and pay you fairly for the repair. How did I take advantage of you?

If I decide to buy a car, buy a house, hire a lawn care company, nobody is taking advantage of anybody else because all parties were in agreement.

So if I apply for a job, and the job pays X amount of money and benefits, the employer is not taking advantage of me by me accepting his offer; provided he or she lives up to their end of the agreement.

All great wealth does not happen by taking advantage of anybody. Great wealth is produced by manufacturing a product or service for a profit. That's it.

Exactly, regardless of the anecdotal rendering you put above.

Produced profitably by not paying employees better, which is taking advantage of the work force, then the product is sold while taking advantage of the markets that try to buy cheap and sell dear to the consumer.

IOW great wealth is created by taking advantage of labor and markets.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

More or less. There are ways of changing this, but it would require the people to stand up for what they believe in. But when the people stand up for what the rich believe in, you know you've lost, and when people do stand up for what they believe in and they get shouted down, you know it's even worse.

I hear you.

When people are ready to push harder for what they believe in, the social revolution required to redress the situation will happen.

We need a French type revolution but not enough of us have what it takes to grow French balls.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

I agree.

We should do away with as much government as we can. Reduce it to its absolute basic form and make it stay within the boundaries of the Constitution.

That would take an independent judicial system and that is not what you have.

Sure, you think you have it, but when judges are chosen by governments, they will choose the judges that they can control.

Regards
DL

 

[Mr.Blonde]

As long as the rich are able to buy our politicians through campaign 'donations', those politicians will do what their donors tell them to do. Big money, whether from individuals or corporations, owns this government. Our politicians spend their lives on their knees, in front of their rich donors. They're all out for themselves.

'Our' government will never be responsive to the needs or wants of ordinary Americans, except in a cosmetic way. Our corrupt politicians' self-interests all lie with the rich.

Which is why we shouldn't give the government that much power.

 

[GreatestIam]

Government isn't a protection racket for the rick. But, government is the tool of the rich to perpetuate their wealth. All of America's "problems" are easy to solve, but solving them isn't in the interest of the rich. Take illegal immigration. Immigrants depress wages of the working natives, while natives are forced to subsidize the immigrants (free schooling, etc.).

When soldiers go to war, the soldiers on both sides are just pawns for the rich. Soldiers on both sides think they're fighting for the side of truth, justice, and freedom.

"Take illegal immigration. Immigrants depress wages of the working natives,"

I can agree with this only partially.

What depresses wages are the employers who pay the depressed wage.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

Employees do not decide what the wage will be. The employers do.

Your employers are the corrupt ones. Not their workers who take what they can get.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I've felt that the rich always have more interest in the government's rule in protecting their way of life than the poor. Thus I've no problem with a progressive income tax.

That means a redistribution of wealth and those words are curses to most people. Especially the rich.

Most politicians speak to that but none ever act on it after being elected.

I think that in the future, demographers will decide who pays what but at present, no politician wants to propose a forced reshaping of our socio economic demographic pyramid.

Most voters do not even know what that means because of the dumbing down that the governments do to their people.

That would lock economic wealth redistribution to a standard and the politicians would loose a lot of bribes so do not hold your breath my friend.

Regards
DL

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

You are touching on the reason I refuse to associate with a political party. The truth is all the politicians, with very very few exceptions, are evil dirt bags who sell out out in order to enhance their personal wealth, power and influence. The political establishment’s biggest worry is unaffiliated voters. Why? Because they can not predict how they will vote, and thus they can not adjust their political narrative to influence them. How else does a political neophyte idiot, who did so many things wrong, get elected POTUS?

You can not change the system or the parties by being a part of them. The only things they care about are your vote and your money. Drop your affiliation! Imagine the narrative coming from these guys if 80% of voters had no party affiliation. You see, they NEED you to pick a side and become loyal to that side, defend that side with your voice (vote) and your money. Don’t be their foolish pawn, drop your party affiliation now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

More or less. There are ways of changing this, but it would require the people to stand up for what they believe in. But when the people stand up for what the rich believe in, you know you've lost, and when people do stand up for what they believe in and they get shouted down, you know it's even worse.

I hear you.

When people are ready to push harder for what they believe in, the social revolution required to redress the situation will happen.

We need a French type revolution but not enough of us have what it takes to grow French balls.

Regards
DL

The problem is, history repeats itself, and the more arrogant a nation feels, the less likely they are to do anything about anything.

 

[GreatestIam]

[QUOTE="BuckToothMoron, post: 18291236, member: 57192

You can not change the system or the parties by being a part of them. The only things they care about are your vote and your money. Drop your affiliation! Imagine the narrative coming from these guys if 80% of voters had no party affiliation. You see, they NEED you to pick a side and become loyal to that side, defend that side with your voice (vote) and your money. Don’t be their foolish pawn, drop your party affiliation now.[/QUOTE]

You are basically locked into a two party system and I agree that that is stupid and unproductive.

If you look at multi party systems where laws need consensus, you will find better laws.

Note how when Trump came into power, he insulted the old electorate that had chosen Democrats in previous elections for certain reasons and for certain laws.

That shows how little he actually cares about the electorate.

If that happened in multi party government, he would never be allowed to reverse what a previous electorate wanted except perhaps in special cases.

Health care could have been one of those cases but Trump screwed that up by not doing a good job. He was anti the Democrat's system but was to stupid to be able to improve on it.

To change a law without having a better one in the wings is insanity and the republicans went along for that insane ride.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

More or less. There are ways of changing this, but it would require the people to stand up for what they believe in. But when the people stand up for what the rich believe in, you know you've lost, and when people do stand up for what they believe in and they get shouted down, you know it's even worse.

I hear you.

When people are ready to push harder for what they believe in, the social revolution required to redress the situation will happen.

We need a French type revolution but not enough of us have what it takes to grow French balls.

Regards
DL

The problem is, history repeats itself, and the more arrogant a nation feels, the less likely they are to do anything about anything.

North Korea belies that but I think you might have a point.

Regards
DL

 

[bripat9643]

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?


Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.


Do you recognize that fact?


Regards

DL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think?c=upw1&u=94acbbeb6bbd6d664157009a896e71b014efbf27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs

Why shouldn't they retain their wealth? Do you believe the mob should be allowed to loot them?

Following those links and educating yourself would have been a good starting position for you to understand the fact that you are a slave to an oligarch.

To your reply.

All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people.

It is not a matter of redistribution from above to below. It is more of a matter of the filthy rich looking to the poor and paying their fair share.

There is a graph in the O.P. If you cannot see how it shows how immoral the socio economic demographic pyramid is, then you do not know how to read one.

Go back and educate yourself, please.

Regards
DL

"All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people."

Who did Henry Ford take advantage of? Steve Jobs? Jeff Bezos?

Labor and the market. Do you know anything about how an economy and business works?

If profits do not come from a workforce and markets for the products, where do you think it comes from?

Regards
DL

You don't prove a point by bleating out some magic words that you think answers all questions. Your theory that profits "come from a workforce and markets for the products" is impossibly vague and meaningless in this context. Your claim amounts to saying the workers are defrauded or cheated in some fashion.

So how are they cheated? Did their employer lie to them about what they would be paid? Where does the fraud come in?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

o your reply.

All great wealth come from taking advantage of the work force and the market. IOW, from taking advantage of people.

It is not a matter of redistribution from above to below. It is more of a matter of the filthy rich looking to the poor and paying their fair share.

There is a graph in the O.P. If you cannot see how it shows how immoral the socio economic demographic pyramid is, then you do not know how to read one.

Go back and educate yourself, please.

So I have a transmission problem. I bring it to your transmission shop and pay you fairly for the repair. How did I take advantage of you?

If I decide to buy a car, buy a house, hire a lawn care company, nobody is taking advantage of anybody else because all parties were in agreement.

So if I apply for a job, and the job pays X amount of money and benefits, the employer is not taking advantage of me by me accepting his offer; provided he or she lives up to their end of the agreement.

All great wealth does not happen by taking advantage of anybody. Great wealth is produced by manufacturing a product or service for a profit. That's it.

Exactly, regardless of the anecdotal rendering you put above.

Produced profitably by not paying employees better, which is taking advantage of the work force, then the product is sold while taking advantage of the markets that try to buy cheap and sell dear to the consumer.

IOW great wealth is created by taking advantage of labor and markets.

Regards
DL

Nobody is being taken advantage of, that's my point in the first place.

I go to McDonald's and read the menu. It says I can have a big mac combo for $6.00. I agree to buy that big mac combo for $6.00. Who is being taken advantage of? Nobody, because McDonald's offered me a product for a price I agreed to pay for.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

[QUOTE="BuckToothMoron, post: 18291236, member: 57192

You can not change the system or the parties by being a part of them. The only things they care about are your vote and your money. Drop your affiliation! Imagine the narrative coming from these guys if 80% of voters had no party affiliation. You see, they NEED you to pick a side and become loyal to that side, defend that side with your voice (vote) and your money. Don’t be their foolish pawn, drop your party affiliation now.

You are basically locked into a two party system and I agree that that is stupid and unproductive.

If you look at multi party systems where laws need consensus, you will find better laws.

Note how when Trump came into power, he insulted the old electorate that had chosen Democrats in previous elections for certain reasons and for certain laws.

That shows how little he actually cares about the electorate.

If that happened in multi party government, he would never be allowed to reverse what a previous electorate wanted except perhaps in special cases.

Health care could have been one of those cases but Trump screwed that up by not doing a good job. He was anti the Democrat's system but was to stupid to be able to improve on it.

To change a law without having a better one in the wings is insanity and the republicans went along for that insane ride.

Regards
DL[/QUOTE]

Actually, I blame the republican controlled Congress more than Trump for the failure to replace BOcare. They were unable to put together any legislation. That is not Trumps fault.

I am actually a fan of the 2 party system, I just think it’s time the existing parties are reformed and changed.