Are globalized corporations unamerican?

[thereisnospoon]

So Caterpillar should be prosecuted for selling bulldozers to areas in the world where there is massive consetruction taking place?
And their workers should suffer as a result of that?
And you want government to run all private American business dictating what they can and can't do?
Foreign trade is what started this great nation. What you advocate will make us a 3rd world socialist communal country.

Caterpillar should have the option to either become an American company or a Foreign company. If they wish to remain an American company they would be required to cease all activity to foreign customers. Now, that's not to say that some portion of the Caterpillar ownership could not choose to leave the USA and to start a totally separate entity outside the US doing the same thing. However there could not be any communication between the two entities.

I don't want the US Government running ANY private business. However, since these businesses have shown an inability and/or unwillingness to maintain an America First mentality, they now need to be FORCED to choose which side of the fence they're on.

Foreign trade had its place in this country. Unfortunately our business and industry owners no longer have the proper mentality to be able to maintain that without selling their own souls and this country down the river for a few pennies. Therefore they can no longer be trusted to engage in such activities.

Read what you posted above then think of the laws of unintended consequences..
BTW, Cat has 59 US based plants. The company has ONE in China...What the hell are you going on about? Really?

 

[WillowTree]

Yes like General Electric. In spite of the feel good commercials they are producing.

you know GE crawled up obiedoodle's ass? makes him, they and you hypocrites donut?

 

[manifold]

No way.

Globalized corporations are extra-American.

 

[Brutus]

Strange how those that tend to spout off the most about freedom are the corporate sycophants.
corporate freedom generally means less individual freedom.

Of course the simple rule from Econ 101 is, the more with whom you trade the richer you get no matter if they are across the street or the world.

 

[Anachronism]

Read what you posted above then think of the laws of unintended consequences.

I know the consequences. We would go back in time about 130 years in terms of society and technology almost overnight. That would be a GREAT thing so far as I am concerned.

BTW, Cat has 59 US based plants. The company has ONE in China...What the hell are you going on about? Really?

CAT was brought up by another poster, not me. In my mind they should be forced to divest themselves of that Chinese operation, pure and simple.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I mean where do their loyalties lie?

They hate success and successful people

Should they even be allowed to vote since they have the economic destruction of the USA as their only goal?

 

[The Rabbi]

Ask the shareholders, ordinary middle class Americans by a very large %, what they think of globalization of the corporations they own.
You people do know that all corporations are owned by middle class Americans, DON'T YOU?

So far as I'm concerned those shareholders should not have that sort of option. AMERICAN Companies should not have the option of doing business overseas or engaging foreign workers to do their work. Pure and simple. Likewise foreign companies should not have the option of doing business here in the United States.

Yes, I am both a Nationalist and an Isolationist. I always have been and likely always will be.

That worked so well for, e.g. East Germany.

 

[code1211]

I mean where do their loyalties lie? Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase? Same with those who play the global market.

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

No, America and the American people do not owe these companies anything. Regardless of whether it's an American company that does business abroad like Coca Cola, a foreign company that owns business interests here like National Grid, a foreign entity that does business here like Toyota, or an American company that outsources its work like Ford or GM.

These companies need to have it explained to them that their loyalties are in serious question and that they need to make a decision whether they want to be AMERICAN companies (who make products in the US with US workers for the US market) or Foreign companies (who don't get any ability to do business in the US at all); but that they cannot be both. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand.

Somebody get that. The 17th Century is calling.

 

[code1211]

Ask the shareholders, ordinary middle class Americans by a very large %, what they think of globalization of the corporations they own.
You people do know that all corporations are owned by middle class Americans, DON'T YOU?

So far as I'm concerned those shareholders should not have that sort of option. AMERICAN Companies should not have the option of doing business overseas or engaging foreign workers to do their work. Pure and simple. Likewise foreign companies should not have the option of doing business here in the United States.

Yes, I am both a Nationalist and an Isolationist. I always have been and likely always will be.

How do you feel about Michigan companies doing business in Indiana or Idianapolis companies doing business in South Bend? Exactly how strangled must the economy become before it suits your world view?

 

[code1211]

So Caterpillar should be prosecuted for selling bulldozers to areas in the world where there is massive consetruction taking place?
And their workers should suffer as a result of that?
And you want government to run all private American business dictating what they can and can't do?
Foreign trade is what started this great nation. What you advocate will make us a 3rd world socialist communal country.

Caterpillar should have the option to either become an American company or a Foreign company. If they wish to remain an American company they would be required to cease all activity to foreign customers. Now, that's not to say that some portion of the Caterpillar ownership could not choose to leave the USA and to start a totally separate entity outside the US doing the same thing. However there could not be any communication between the two entities.

I don't want the US Government running ANY private business. However, since these businesses have shown an inability and/or unwillingness to maintain an America First mentality, they now need to be FORCED to choose which side of the fence they're on.

Foreign trade had its place in this country. Unfortunately our business and industry owners no longer have the proper mentality to be able to maintain that without selling their own souls and this country down the river for a few pennies. Therefore they can no longer be trusted to engage in such activities.

Limiting the ability for a profit seeking entity to seek profit is, on its face, absurd, so why not elevate the absurdity to the next level.

If there happens to be a war in progress and it's illegal for any company to export to another country, would we then have to purchase the materials of war for the invasion from the invaded country? Lord knows we would not want to export bombs and bullets to a foreign nation when we need them here.

To invade Europe on D-Day, would have had to depend on France for the initial war materials, then Belgium and ultimately Germany?

 

[Anachronism]

Somebody get that. The 17th Century is calling.

You're about half a millenium too late for my personal tastes, but the mid 18th century would be about the latest I would approve of for the most part.

How do you feel about Michigan companies doing business in Indiana or Idianapolis companies doing business in South Bend? Exactly how strangled must the economy become before it suits your world view?

The national level. Interstate commerce is not an issue in my mind; though I do prefer to buy local products when possible

Limiting the ability for a profit seeking entity to seek profit is, on its face, absurd, so why not elevate the absurdity to the next level.

If there happens to be a war in progress and it's illegal for any company to export to another country, would we then have to purchase the materials of war for the invasion from the invaded country? Lord knows we would not want to export bombs and bullets to a foreign nation when we need them here.

To invade Europe on D-Day, would have had to depend on France for the initial war materials, then Belgium and ultimately Germany?

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in quite a while. Those items are going to American servicemen. They're not being exported, they're simply being delivered to US soldiers. Then again in my mind, D-Day wouldn't have happened because we would have only fought the Pacific War against Japan (the enemy that attacked us) not against Germany.

Oh, and in terms of your arguement about the absurdity of limiting profit.... How much good would those monies do the owners of these companies when it costs them their Eternal Souls?

 

[kaz]

I mean where do their loyalties lie?
Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase?
Same with those who play the global market.

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

Avoiding taxes is patriotic, good for them

 

[Wiseacre]

Well I'll say this, I owe my family a lot more than I owe anybody else, and that ain't unamerican. If I need to buy Korean clothes or shoes from Taiwan cuz I can't afford Amercian products, touch shit. If American companies cannot compete in terms of price and quality, then they need to find another business to go into, and that ain't unamerican either. Our gov't should ensure that our companies get a fair shake, but beyond that it's on us to compete and if they can't do it then it's sure as hell not my responsibility to keep 'em in business.

 

[Gadawg73]

Hard to believe that there are folks here that want to have government at the point of a gun force me not to do business with someone that does not live in this country.
Too much government is what has fucked up most everything now.
Leave me the fuck alone. Been doing okay for 30 years now.
Where are the victims of my entreprenurial living?

 

[Gadawg73]

Well I'll say this, I owe my family a lot more than I owe anybody else, and that ain't unamerican. If I need to buy Korean clothes or shoes from Taiwan cuz I can't afford Amercian products, touch shit. If American companies cannot compete in terms of price and quality, then they need to find another business to go into, and that ain't unamerican either. Our gov't should ensure that our companies get a fair shake, but beyond that it's on us to compete and if they can't do it then it's sure as hell not my responsibility to keep 'em in business.

Sums it well enough for how it has worked in my world for the last 30 years. Well said. Problem is many Americans have to have somebody to blame if things do not always go their way.
Most of the competitors I played against years ago shook my hand and said "Good game" if they won or lost. I did the same thing.
A few times we would hear "You guys cheated".
Some people just can't admit reality.

 

[Anachronism]

Hard to believe that there are folks here that want to have government at the point of a gun force me not to do business with someone that does not live in this country.

Not only don't I want you doing business with them, I don't want any America to have any contact with them. Period. Not in person, not via phone, the internet, etc... I'm both a Nationalist AND an Isolationist.

Where are the victims of my entreprenurial living?

The American people who have lost their jobs because companies are not engaging in an America First mentality.

 

[snjmom]

Neither American or Un-American.

Profit knows no nationality.

They are getting awfully uppity though.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Somebody get that. The 17th Century is calling.

You're about half a millenium too late for my personal tastes, but the mid 18th century would be about the latest I would approve of for the most part.

How do you feel about Michigan companies doing business in Indiana or Idianapolis companies doing business in South Bend? Exactly how strangled must the economy become before it suits your world view?

The national level. Interstate commerce is not an issue in my mind; though I do prefer to buy local products when possible

Limiting the ability for a profit seeking entity to seek profit is, on its face, absurd, so why not elevate the absurdity to the next level.

If there happens to be a war in progress and it's illegal for any company to export to another country, would we then have to purchase the materials of war for the invasion from the invaded country? Lord knows we would not want to export bombs and bullets to a foreign nation when we need them here.

To invade Europe on D-Day, would have had to depend on France for the initial war materials, then Belgium and ultimately Germany?

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in quite a while. Those items are going to American servicemen. They're not being exported, they're simply being delivered to US soldiers. Then again in my mind, D-Day wouldn't have happened because we would have only fought the Pacific War against Japan (the enemy that attacked us) not against Germany.

Oh, and in terms of your arguement about the absurdity of limiting profit.... How much good would those monies do the owners of these companies when it costs them their Eternal Souls?

Oh please. Eternal souls? Look, the Padre is at the front door. He'll punch your ticket on your way out. Know what I mean?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Hard to believe that there are folks here that want to have government at the point of a gun force me not to do business with someone that does not live in this country.

Not only don't I want you doing business with them, I don't want any America to have any contact with them. Period. Not in person, not via phone, the internet, etc... I'm both a Nationalist AND an Isolationist.

Where are the victims of my entreprenurial living?

The American people who have lost their jobs because companies are not engaging in an America First mentality.

You have a twisted unrealistic viewpoint.
You may have it for yourself.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hard to believe that there are folks here that want to have government at the point of a gun force me not to do business with someone that does not live in this country.

Not only don't I want you doing business with them, I don't want any America to have any contact with them. Period. Not in person, not via phone, the internet, etc... I'm both a Nationalist AND an Isolationist.

Where are the victims of my entreprenurial living?

The American people who have lost their jobs because companies are not engaging in an America First mentality.

You have a twisted unrealistic viewpoint.
You may have it for yourself.

It isn't unrealistic. The Khmer Rouge felt about the same way. They emptied the cities and killed off the intellectuals in a desire to get back to a more authentic society.