Are globalized corporations unamerican?

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    I mean where do their loyalties lie?
    Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase?
    Same with those who play the global market.

    Does America owe them any breaks or support?
     
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    we owe them nothink! they are only there for profit. Same can be said of Mitt Romney and his investment firm which gives jobs to other parts of the world.
     
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    Not necessarily.

    The problem isn't that corporations have reach in many nations, the problem is that our governments (both here and abroad) are so easily manipulated by those enormously powerful organizations.

    So as a consequence governments can be easily stampeded toward a race to the bottom of labor and citizens' rights when it comes to seeing to it that those corporations aren't taking advantage of their ability to move operations from one nation to the other.

    I'm informed that one of the things happening in China right now is that corporations are demanding advantages or they'll move to Viet Nam.

    Well I'm of the opinion that if we're going to liberate capital from national responsibilities and grant them the right to be international citizens, then we need an equally powerful interantional government to see to it that the corporations SERVE THE PUBLIC at the same time they are serving their stockholders.

    If one truly wants international economy then we also need international government to regulate the corporations that will be the winners in that economy.

    Getting the undue and pernicious influence of capital out of governments is a problem facing not just this nation but ALL nations.

    Or we could just say, screw it! and just all sign on as serfs to whatever corporation we can cleave to.

    THAT is what the neo-cons really want, ya know.

    And end to reprentational governments replaced by a world wide oligarchy lead by the owers of corporations.

    I can actually even craft a good damned argument for why that ought to be the way mankind ought to head itself, too.

    My objection to this development is really not so much that nations will cease to matter, (nationalism is a meance to mankind really, now that we have the BOMB) but rather it is based on the notion that when there is no representational power given to the have-nots, the HAVES turn life into a totalitarian nighmare for people.

    Most American people are just now beginning to feel the lash of capital's domination of government. (Most Black Americans probably already understand THAT problem instictively as they were once considered property)

    If we allow this trned to continue things will truly only get much worse in terms of human freedom and dignity.

    Freedom as you or I think we know it will end.

    Doubt me?

    How much FREEDOM do you really have ON THE JOB if you work for a major corporation?

    The answer, is ZERO.

    You have exactly those rights your BOSS tells you you have.
     
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    Strange how those that tend to spout off the most about freedom are the corporate sycophants.
    corporate freedom generally means less individual freedom.
     
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    Like General Electric? Bite your tongue, boy!
     
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    Yes like General Electric. In spite of the feel good commercials they are producing.
     
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    Great thread!! I tried to give you a pos rep but it seems I gave one to you not long ago and was prevented from doing so.

    The global market and the agreements that go with it (NAFTA) have left many, if not most, Americans worse off than they would have been without it. Ross Perot was 100% correct in his opposition to NAFTA.

    The biggest problem is that we have a much higher standard of living than nations such as China and Mexico. As a result it's difficult, if not impossible to compete with them from a labor standpoint. Why wouldn't a company choose to relocate to a nation where labor costs are so much lower? Litttle or no workers comp? No pension benefits? Little or no environmental laws? When you couple that with little or no tariff costs to ship your product back into the US they would be stupid NOT to move.

    So what's our recourse? According to the "new brand of conservatives" we need to lower our wages (hence our Standard of Living) in order to be more "competitive". They consider American workers to be lazy and spoiled. They are willing to sacrifice our natural resources to gain corporate profit. And that's what we're seeing now. But unless we lower our Standard of Living to that of say, Mexico, then we truly cannot compete. (On the flip side Mexico could raise their Standard of Living to that of ours but then would lose jobs since companies would get no benefit from relocating.

    The bad part of repealing laws like NAFTA is that it would cause a spike in inflation since we would see prices of most goods going up due to higher tariffs and a heavier reliance on American labor. But it would correspond with more and better paying jobs for Americans too. And, in my opinion, American workers are the best workers in the whole world.

    To answer your question......American corporations care only for profits. They would gladly throw American workers under the bus if they could save a buck. And that does not make for a good partnership with the nation they rely on to buy their goods. But keep in mind that if the US regulates their business (minimum wage, worker safety, minimize environmental impact) that we need to give them enough support to help them maintain a decent profit margin.

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    I wholeheartedly agree. The effects of globalization has been devastating to blue-collar America.

    I was speaking with my boss the other day, we live in Georgia, about the new illegal immigration bill that is being legally challenged with several South American governments support. He pointed to the AJC's front page story on a shortage of agriculture workers, saying that isn't any American workers that would do that job. He is correct they wouldn't do those jobs for the current pay that has been artificially reduced by the availability of a cheap exploitable underclass.

    I contend that it is this idea of globalization that drives Barack "Citizen of the World" Obama to do absolutely nothing about immigration policy. He recently stated that people that come to America by way of slave boat or the Rio Grand we are both equally American.

    The globalization of corporate America is treasonous. I think it is Constitutional and essential to American workers that Congress requires American corporations to operate within the bounds of America, and increase tariffs on all imports. Call it isolationism, I call it returning to a proven economic strategy that gave rise to the modern world.

    America needs to start leading again, unfortunately that won't be possible while we have a president that is gleefully presiding over its' decline.
     
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    Globalized Conglomerates (The New Monopoly) are BAU for Conservatives.

    Anything that kills jobs and concentrates wealth (Socialism for the rich..as Per Bachmann) is a good thing for Republicans.
     
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    Well, the freedom they’re spouting off about is indeed corporate freedom, with ignorant whining about the Commerce Clause being ‘bastardized,’ yet advocating violations of 4th Amendment privacy rights for individuals.
     

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