Are atheists as less-evolved species than the spiritual humans?

From an evolutionary standpoint compatible with major religions:

One sees in nature an evolutionary hierarchy of species - those at the lower ends of the hierarchy, such as insects, are the most materialistic - having little mental or spiritual awareness at all other than physical impulses or sensations

While more-evolved species, such as mammals display higher cognitive or mental abilities - those at the highest ends, such as humans - display higher mental and spiritual concepts such as sciences, arts, music, meditation, and dance.

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If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.

It could be argued then, that those of spiritual enlightenment, are at a higher level of evolution than crasser, materialistic-minded atheists are, and therefore deserving of more humaneness or rights, rather than the false notion that atheists are somehow their "equal".

LOL you fairy tale believers are such a hoot!
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
 
From an evolutionary standpoint compatible with major religions:

One sees in nature an evolutionary hierarchy of species - those at the lower ends of the hierarchy, such as insects, are the most materialistic - having little mental or spiritual awareness at all other than physical impulses or sensations

While more-evolved species, such as mammals display higher cognitive or mental abilities - those at the highest ends, such as humans - display higher mental and spiritual concepts such as sciences, arts, music, meditation, and dance.

-

If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.

It could be argued then, that those of spiritual enlightenment, are at a higher level of evolution than crasser, materialistic-minded atheists are, and therefore deserving of more humaneness or rights, rather than the false notion that atheists are somehow their "equal".

LOL you fairy tale believers are such a hoot!
The reality is that atheists don't believe in God because he doesn't do magical things. If you ask me, anyone who believes that the creator of existence must do magical things to exist are the ones who believe in fairy tales.

I believe in a personal God and I don't believe he is pulling strings and making things happen. You don't believe God exists because he doesn't do magical things. Why would the creator of existence need to do magical things? Please share with me your fairy tale.
 
My argument is that evolutionary science shows that materialism is a lower state of evolution in species.
There is nobody more materialistic than a televangelist.
By definition, atheists are materialists. They reject all higher order characteristics of a spiritual being. The humanistic way of thinking does not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man, nor does it see any task higher than the attainment of happiness on earth. Humanism started modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend of worshiping man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Materialism always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. So it is no wonder that there are examples of people who pay lip service to Christianity and rationalize their behaviors.
 
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From an evolutionary standpoint compatible with major religions:

One sees in nature an evolutionary hierarchy of species - those at the lower ends of the hierarchy, such as insects, are the most materialistic - having little mental or spiritual awareness at all other than physical impulses or sensations

While more-evolved species, such as mammals display higher cognitive or mental abilities - those at the highest ends, such as humans - display higher mental and spiritual concepts such as sciences, arts, music, meditation, and dance.

-

If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.

It could be argued then, that those of spiritual enlightenment, are at a higher level of evolution than crasser, materialistic-minded atheists are, and therefore deserving of more humaneness or rights, rather than the false notion that atheists are somehow their "equal".

LOL you fairy tale believers are such a hoot!
The reality is that atheists don't believe in God because he doesn't do magical things. If you ask me, anyone who believes that the creator of existence must do magical things to exist are the ones who believe in fairy tales.

I believe in a personal God and I don't believe he is pulling strings and making things happen. You don't believe God exists because he doesn't do magical things. Why would the creator of existence need to do magical things? Please share with me your fairy tale.

The reality is that I don't believe in any god for the same reason I don't believe in unicorns or leprechauns or that the lightning is caused by a god hitting things with his hammer.

The reality is that generally I don't care what fairy tales a person believes in, until like the OP, he decides that United States needs a state mandated church, and that atheists need to be treated like rapists.

And the reality is that most fairy tale believers are not like the OP- 'thank god'- most Christians, and Jews, and Muslims, and Buddhists are decent folk- just like most Atheists are.
 
My argument is that evolutionary science shows that materialism is a lower state of evolution in species.
There is nobody more materialistic than a televangelist.
By definition, atheists are materialists. They reject all higher order characteristics of a spiritual being. The humanistic way of thinking does not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man, nor does it see any task higher than the attainment of happiness on earth. Humanism started modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend of worshiping man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Materialism always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. So it is no wonder that there are examples of people who pay lip service to Christianity and rationalize their behaviors.

Oddly enough many atheists are also transcendentalists in their materialism and anti-naturalism, and antipositivists; a normative hypocrisy apparently lost to most of them.
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
The Laws of Nature suggest no such thing.
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
The Laws of Nature suggest no such thing.

And yet your philosophers turn their eyes inside to long journeys of spiritual reasoning by any other name to find their epistemological centers. Belief dwells within us all from the beginning. Whether or not we acknowledge it changes nothing.
 
My argument is that evolutionary science shows that materialism is a lower state of evolution in species.
There is nobody more materialistic than a televangelist.
By definition, atheists are materialists. They reject all higher order characteristics of a spiritual being. The humanistic way of thinking does not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man, nor does it see any task higher than the attainment of happiness on earth. Humanism started modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend of worshiping man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Materialism always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. So it is no wonder that there are examples of people who pay lip service to Christianity and rationalize their behaviors.
Again, Christian televangelists are the most materialistic creatures in the universe. They also claim to be the most spiritual.
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
The Laws of Nature suggest no such thing.

And yet your philosophers turn their eyes inside to long journeys of spiritual reasoning by any other name to find their epistemological centers. Belief dwells within us all from the beginning. Whether or not we acknowledge it changes nothing.
Speak for YOUR own philosophers.
 
From an evolutionary standpoint compatible with major religions:

One sees in nature an evolutionary hierarchy of species - those at the lower ends of the hierarchy, such as insects, are the most materialistic - having little mental or spiritual awareness at all other than physical impulses or sensations

While more-evolved species, such as mammals display higher cognitive or mental abilities - those at the highest ends, such as humans - display higher mental and spiritual concepts such as sciences, arts, music, meditation, and dance.

-

If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.

It could be argued then, that those of spiritual enlightenment, are at a higher level of evolution than crasser, materialistic-minded atheists are, and therefore deserving of more humaneness or rights, rather than the false notion that atheists are somehow their "equal".

LOL you fairy tale believers are such a hoot!
The reality is that atheists don't believe in God because he doesn't do magical things. If you ask me, anyone who believes that the creator of existence must do magical things to exist are the ones who believe in fairy tales.

I believe in a personal God and I don't believe he is pulling strings and making things happen. You don't believe God exists because he doesn't do magical things. Why would the creator of existence need to do magical things? Please share with me your fairy tale.

The reality is that I don't believe in any god for the same reason I don't believe in unicorns or leprechauns or that the lightning is caused by a god hitting things with his hammer.

The reality is that generally I don't care what fairy tales a person believes in, until like the OP, he decides that United States needs a state mandated church, and that atheists need to be treated like rapists.

And the reality is that most fairy tale believers are not like the OP- 'thank god'- most Christians, and Jews, and Muslims, and Buddhists are decent folk- just like most Atheists are.
Do you argue against the existence of unicorns or leprechauns?

What exactly is a fairytale believer by the way?
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
The Laws of Nature suggest no such thing.
Sure they do. Nature has a preference for intelligence. Even SETI recognizes it. That's why they are searching for intelligence.
 
My argument is that evolutionary science shows that materialism is a lower state of evolution in species.
There is nobody more materialistic than a televangelist.
By definition, atheists are materialists. They reject all higher order characteristics of a spiritual being. The humanistic way of thinking does not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man, nor does it see any task higher than the attainment of happiness on earth. Humanism started modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend of worshiping man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Materialism always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. So it is no wonder that there are examples of people who pay lip service to Christianity and rationalize their behaviors.
Again, Christian televangelists are the most materialistic creatures in the universe. They also claim to be the most spiritual.
No. I don't believe they are. I think you are confused by what is meant by the term "materialist" in the context of this discussion, Ed. You are a materialist. You only believe in the material world. Which is odd because things like intelligence, thought and potentiality are not material but they do exist in reality, just like the laws of nature do.
 
From an evolutionary standpoint compatible with major religions:

One sees in nature an evolutionary hierarchy of species - those at the lower ends of the hierarchy, such as insects, are the most materialistic - having little mental or spiritual awareness at all other than physical impulses or sensations

While more-evolved species, such as mammals display higher cognitive or mental abilities - those at the highest ends, such as humans - display higher mental and spiritual concepts such as sciences, arts, music, meditation, and dance.

-

If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.

It could be argued then, that those of spiritual enlightenment, are at a higher level of evolution than crasser, materialistic-minded atheists are, and therefore deserving of more humaneness or rights, rather than the false notion that atheists are somehow their "equal".

LOL you fairy tale believers are such a hoot!
The reality is that atheists don't believe in God because he doesn't do magical things. If you ask me, anyone who believes that the creator of existence must do magical things to exist are the ones who believe in fairy tales.

I believe in a personal God and I don't believe he is pulling strings and making things happen. You don't believe God exists because he doesn't do magical things. Why would the creator of existence need to do magical things? Please share with me your fairy tale.

The reality is that I don't believe in any god for the same reason I don't believe in unicorns or leprechauns or that the lightning is caused by a god hitting things with his hammer.

The reality is that generally I don't care what fairy tales a person believes in, until like the OP, he decides that United States needs a state mandated church, and that atheists need to be treated like rapists.

And the reality is that most fairy tale believers are not like the OP- 'thank god'- most Christians, and Jews, and Muslims, and Buddhists are decent folk- just like most Atheists are.
Do you argue against the existence of unicorns or leprechauns?

What exactly is a fairytale believer by the way?

If you were to tell me that everyone in the United States must believe in unicorns and/or leprechauns- then yes- I would mock your belief in unicorns and leprechauns.

What exactly is a fairy believer? A person who believes in fairy tales.
 
Atheism is a doctrine. God is truth.
Atheism is truth, god is a superstition.
Let that sink in!
I don't believe the first cause is superstition at all. Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

At least that is what the laws of nature - physical, biological and moral - suggest.
The Laws of Nature suggest no such thing.
Sure they do. Nature has a preference for intelligence. Even SETI recognizes it. That's why they are searching for intelligence.

Nature doesn't have any such preference- which is why most of life is almost intelligence free.
 
If a human embraces materialistic atheism or secularism, he therefore is taking the direction of devolution rather than evolution - as his mind is devolving back in the direction of "beast", embracing base, materialistic pleasures such as sex, porn, and fast food, rather than higher, "spiritual" pleasures such as music and art.
This is where your argument fails. Atheists and secular people have "spiritual" experiences, archaic nomenclature notwithstanding. Most atheists and secularists simply accept that these are phenomena of our minds. Same experience, no magical voodoo spirits required.
 

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