Are 80% of those on Obamacare people who voted for Trump?

[rdean]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

 

[pismoe]

Go Trump !!

 

[rdean]

Go Trump !!

Yea, away!

 

[flacaltenn]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

 

[Sherry]

Shocking that anyone, right or left, should obey a mandated law. They must have voted against their own interests, rather than believe it could be replaced with something more affordable. The irony!!

 

[Shrimpbox]

Yeah re, you are definitely an obama synchophant. Like him, you parrot that everyone HAS insurance, but no one has health care. Maybe those poor trump voters couldn't get care because they couldn't afford the deductibles. Or maybe they couldn't pay the premiums. Or maybe they had to buy their family food instead of paying the premium. Suspect there are more democratic voters on Obamacare than trump voters. the reality of obama induced suffering is no match for your blind devotion to the failure that is socialism.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

 

[flacaltenn]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

 

[flacaltenn]

It's not that the states don't WANT to help. But to get the MediCaid money, their hands are too tied. And it end in failure.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

Medicaid was 100% federally funded for the first 3 years? 95% for 2017 until 2019 and 90% until 2020. TN's governor CHOSE not to accept Medicaid expansion in his state, for FREE to his citizens. That's on him.

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

 

[flacaltenn]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

Medicaid was 100% federally funded for the first 3 years? 95% for 2017 until 2019 and 90% until 2020. TN's governor CHOSE not to accept Medicaid expansion in his state, for FREE to his citizens. That's on him.

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

Yeah.. Because he had his OWN proposal for spending Medicaid monies. Medicaid is NEVER 100% funded. That's the Washington prospective. Let the states INNOVATE. Take off the chains.. Folks will GET better service and coverage.

Once you took the bait -- your state is on the hook for the consequences. Didn't want to ride that crazy train.

And in retrospect -- Tenn saved a BUNDLE of cash not providing it's own "obamacare exchange".. That was the hook. And we FORTUNATELY didn't take the bait. I imagine that $Bill+ federal healthcare.gov website is gonna down in history with it's "navigators" and admin, as one of the largest boondoogles of this decade.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

Medicaid was 100% federally funded for the first 3 years? 95% for 2017 until 2019 and 90% until 2020. TN's governor CHOSE not to accept Medicaid expansion in his state, for FREE to his citizens. That's on him.

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

Yeah.. Because he had his OWN proposal for spending Medicaid monies. Medicaid is NEVER 100% funded. That's the Washington prospective. Let the states INNOVATE. Take off the chains.. Folks will GET better service and coverage.

Once you took the bait -- your state is on the hook for the consequences. Didn't want to ride that crazy train.

And in retrospect -- Tenn saved a BUNDLE of cash not providing it's own "obamacare exchange".. That was the hook. And we FORTUNATELY didn't take the bait. I imagine that $Bill+ federal healthcare.gov website is gonna down in history with it's "navigators" and admin, as one of the largest boondoogles of this decade.

Wait, so you are complaining about the situation your state is in, when the governor didn't accept the Medicaid expansion... saying how absolutely horrible it is, and saying that hospitals might actually go out of business, and then at the same time, you are saying it would have been in a worse situation if it had taken the Medicaid expansion? Come on....

 

[flacaltenn]

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

Medicaid was 100% federally funded for the first 3 years? 95% for 2017 until 2019 and 90% until 2020. TN's governor CHOSE not to accept Medicaid expansion in his state, for FREE to his citizens. That's on him.

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

Yeah.. Because he had his OWN proposal for spending Medicaid monies. Medicaid is NEVER 100% funded. That's the Washington prospective. Let the states INNOVATE. Take off the chains.. Folks will GET better service and coverage.

Once you took the bait -- your state is on the hook for the consequences. Didn't want to ride that crazy train.

And in retrospect -- Tenn saved a BUNDLE of cash not providing it's own "obamacare exchange".. That was the hook. And we FORTUNATELY didn't take the bait. I imagine that $Bill+ federal healthcare.gov website is gonna down in history with it's "navigators" and admin, as one of the largest boondoogles of this decade.

Wait, so you are complaining about the situation your state is in, when the governor didn't accept the Medicaid expansion... saying how absolutely horrible it is, and saying that hospitals might actually go out of business, and then at the same time, you are saying it would have been in a worse situation if it had taken the Medicaid expansion? Come on....

It was a political bribe. A "limited time only" offer. Have to kiss ass and declare Obamacare so wise. And then 3 years down the road -- when it's a smoking heap and you've tossed good state money into it -- we get to laugh at the morons who took the bait..

 

[Lewdog]

For Medcaid not being expanded in TN, that is your governor's fault, not the federal government.

The hell it is. MediCaid is a Federal program. The state are COERCED into contributing under the MediCaid rules in order to get subsidies. Tennessee tried that fool's game TWICE.

Loosen the states to do their OWN experiments on MediCaid. Block grant the funds with fewer strings attached. More folks will be served..

Medicaid was 100% federally funded for the first 3 years? 95% for 2017 until 2019 and 90% until 2020. TN's governor CHOSE not to accept Medicaid expansion in his state, for FREE to his citizens. That's on him.

ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion

Yeah.. Because he had his OWN proposal for spending Medicaid monies. Medicaid is NEVER 100% funded. That's the Washington prospective. Let the states INNOVATE. Take off the chains.. Folks will GET better service and coverage.

Once you took the bait -- your state is on the hook for the consequences. Didn't want to ride that crazy train.

And in retrospect -- Tenn saved a BUNDLE of cash not providing it's own "obamacare exchange".. That was the hook. And we FORTUNATELY didn't take the bait. I imagine that $Bill+ federal healthcare.gov website is gonna down in history with it's "navigators" and admin, as one of the largest boondoogles of this decade.

Wait, so you are complaining about the situation your state is in, when the governor didn't accept the Medicaid expansion... saying how absolutely horrible it is, and saying that hospitals might actually go out of business, and then at the same time, you are saying it would have been in a worse situation if it had taken the Medicaid expansion? Come on....

It was a political bribe. A "limited time only" offer. Have to kiss ass and declare Obamacare so wise. And then 3 years down the road -- when it's a smoking heap and you've tossed good state money into it -- we get to laugh at the morons who took the bait..

In three years you spend 5% and in six years 10%? And that's a terrible deal to give health insurance to people that can't afford it? Come on man... your governor is the one that screwed his own people.

 

[rdean]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

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They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

“All Tennesseans will have access to coverage next year, and thanks to financial assistance, most people will be able to select a plan for less than $75 per month,” said HHS press secretary Marjorie Connolly. “We look forward to Tennesseans coming to shop for plans that include free preventive care and no lifetime limits when Open Enrollment begins on November 1".

BlueCross BlueShield Drops Obamacare Coverage in 3 Tennessee Markets

Tenn. lawmakers, residents search for solutions after Blue Cross Blue Shield pulls out of ACA in Knoxville area

Impact of the Affordable Care Act in Tennessee

So why is this happening in some states and not others? Ever bother to try and find out?

GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

This doesn’t defund cost sharing subsidies directly, it just removes the ability of the Federal Government to refund insurers for giving breaks on cost sharing without approval by Congress. Congress must now appropriate the funds first.

• On one hand this makes sense, The Constitution says “Clause 7. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
• On the other hand, like with King V. Burwell, the intention of the law was obviously to ensure hardworking middle income families have access to assistance.

So it’s not that the law was misused, it is that nitpicking at the ACA, with the goal of taking away assistance from middle income families, with the intention of “Defunding ObamaCare” for political purposes, is an unfortunate battle-tactic with real consequences.

--------------

Do you see what's happening? Republicans don't like anything Obama. Republicans don't like to help the middle class. By preventing any government help that would insure millions of Americans states with Republican Governors, they hope to overturn the law. Leave millions of American without healthcare. It's not the law. The law is designed to help people. It's not Obama. Without Obama care, 30 million wouldn't be covered. It's Republicans. They want to fuck you over. They will repeal, but replace? No way.
Notice how Republicans keep whining about Democrats. Where are they holding their leaders to account? They aren't. They are fucking themselves biglee and trying to blame it on Democrats. Well Democrats tried. How have Republicans tried? They only try to see you suffer and die without healthcare. So stop whining and man up. If you vote for people who want you to suffer, then suffer and stop complaining about it. You voted for them. You should have known better. So they are liars. Many of you even knew they were liars but hoped to stick it to Democrats. Well, you stuck it to yourselves, so deal with it.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

“All Tennesseans will have access to coverage next year, and thanks to financial assistance, most people will be able to select a plan for less than $75 per month,” said HHS press secretary Marjorie Connolly. “We look forward to Tennesseans coming to shop for plans that include free preventive care and no lifetime limits when Open Enrollment begins on November 1".

BlueCross BlueShield Drops Obamacare Coverage in 3 Tennessee Markets

Tenn. lawmakers, residents search for solutions after Blue Cross Blue Shield pulls out of ACA in Knoxville area

Impact of the Affordable Care Act in Tennessee

So why is this happening in some states and not others? Ever bother to try and find out?

GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

This doesn’t defund cost sharing subsidies directly, it just removes the ability of the Federal Government to refund insurers for giving breaks on cost sharing without approval by Congress. Congress must now appropriate the funds first.

• On one hand this makes sense, The Constitution says “Clause 7. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
• On the other hand, like with King V. Burwell, the intention of the law was obviously to ensure hardworking middle income families have access to assistance.

So it’s not that the law was misused, it is that nitpicking at the ACA, with the goal of taking away assistance from middle income families, with the intention of “Defunding ObamaCare” for political purposes, is an unfortunate battle-tactic with real consequences.

--------------

Do you see what's happening? Republicans don't like anything Obama. Republicans don't like to help the middle class. By preventing any government help that would insure millions of Americans states with Republican Governors, they hope to overturn the law. Leave millions of American without healthcare. It's not the law. The law is designed to help people. It's not Obama. Without Obama care, 30 million wouldn't be covered. It's Republicans. They want to fuck you over. They will repeal, but replace? No way.
Notice how Republicans keep whining about Democrats. Where are they holding their leaders to account? They aren't. They are fucking themselves biglee and trying to blame it on Democrats. Well Democrats tried. How have Republicans tried? They only try to see you suffer and die without healthcare. So stop whining and man up. If you vote for people who want you to suffer, then suffer and stop complaining about it. You voted for them. You should have known better. So they are liars. Many of you even knew they were liars but hoped to stick it to Democrats. Well, you stuck it to yourselves, so deal with it.

That's basically how I feel about it. The government opened up Medicaid expansion to the states, and those that didn't accept it were all Republican governors, and I think they rejected it just out of spite, and didn't really care about getting the health insurance for their citizens.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Are 80% of those on Obamacare people who voted for Trump?

could be Americans are usually not very receptive of being mandated

to buy a product or fined or face serious actions for failing to do so

 

[rdean]

Are 80% of those on Obamacare people who voted for Trump?

could be Americans are usually not very receptive of being mandated

to buy a product or fined or face serious actions for failing to do so

Taxes are a mandate.
Needing money is a mandate.
Needing food is a mandate.

People without healthcare die. Republicans cheer. Even when it's other Republicans.

 

[flacaltenn]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops?

Sarah Kliff wrote a poignant account last week of her visit to Whitley County, Ky., where the uninsured rate declined 60 percent under Obamacare but 82 percent of voters supported Trump. There, Kliff, a former Post colleague, found Trump voters who were downright frightened that the president-elect would do exactly — literally — what he and Republicans promised: repeal Obamacare.

Among those she found was Trump voter Debbie Mills, a store owner whose husband awaits a lifesaving liver transplant; they got insurance through Obamacare, and Mills is hoping the law won’t be repealed.

Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump’s promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump’s strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes.

Tribalism run amok: Now Donald Trump voters are worried he might take their Obamacare away

There was an assumption that Trump was lying about repealing the healthcare law, because so many politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping. There was a belief that he would never get rid a program that had genuinely helped them.

Kentucky voters had spent the entire Obama administration overwhelmingly voting to send the ACA’s sworn enemies to Congress to kill it, even as they themselves were benefiting from the law. It apparently never occurred to them that they might be seeding the ground for repeal. As long as they stuck it to the big-government coastal elites of the Democratic Party, not much else mattered.

Who would become uninsured under Obamacare repeal? Trump supporters

If Obamacare were dismantled, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 58.7 million in 2019, a jump of nearly 30 million, according to a new study from the Urban Institute. The study did not look at the impact of replacement options since no detailed plans have been provided.

Whites and those without college degrees have been among the biggest winners under Obamacare, in terms of gaining coverage, said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow in the Health Policy Center at the Urban Institute. So these groups dominate the share of people who would lose out if the law were repealed.

------------------------------------------
They just assumed he didn't mean it. They believed his passion but didn't take him literally.

Well, I hope it takes a least a year. I'm already on Obamacare but I won't quality for Medicare for a little more than a year. I suspect after Republicans fuck over millions of their base, they won't rush to fuck over seniors by damaging Medicare. By that time, it will be getting close to midterms. If the GOP loses the house, Trump becomes vulnerable to impeachment.

Republicans are literally creaming their Brookes Brothers thinking about screwing over 30 million Americans. It's a GOP wet dream. The chance of a lifetime.

So?? 40% of Tennesseans lost coverage THIS year under O-Care because Obama and crew is NOT MANAGING IT PROPERLY. They are virtually ignoring the massive implosion that is happening under their watch. It's blowing the fuck up. Because most all of the "money raising" provisions have been delayed or shelved, the Fed govt is not forking the cash subsidies promised to the providers, and the COVERAGE sucks.

Plans with $5000 deductibles for the working poor is a CRUEL HOAX. It's guaranteed bankruptcy if they even break a finger. It's CRAPPY coverage. Not anywhere NEAR MediCaid coverage. Which was the entire answer to the "uninsured" problem in the 1st place. Without DISPLACING 20 million people from their existing plans and giving the insurers a wink and a nod about subsidizing.

MediCaid should have been expanded and funded. Would have been FAR MORE AFFORDABLE for the folks who need coverage. And cheaper for the rest of us also.. It's burning right now. Won't LAST before it's replaced.

“All Tennesseans will have access to coverage next year, and thanks to financial assistance, most people will be able to select a plan for less than $75 per month,” said HHS press secretary Marjorie Connolly. “We look forward to Tennesseans coming to shop for plans that include free preventive care and no lifetime limits when Open Enrollment begins on November 1".

BlueCross BlueShield Drops Obamacare Coverage in 3 Tennessee Markets

Tenn. lawmakers, residents search for solutions after Blue Cross Blue Shield pulls out of ACA in Knoxville area

Impact of the Affordable Care Act in Tennessee

So why is this happening in some states and not others? Ever bother to try and find out?

GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

This doesn’t defund cost sharing subsidies directly, it just removes the ability of the Federal Government to refund insurers for giving breaks on cost sharing without approval by Congress. Congress must now appropriate the funds first.

• On one hand this makes sense, The Constitution says “Clause 7. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
• On the other hand, like with King V. Burwell, the intention of the law was obviously to ensure hardworking middle income families have access to assistance.

So it’s not that the law was misused, it is that nitpicking at the ACA, with the goal of taking away assistance from middle income families, with the intention of “Defunding ObamaCare” for political purposes, is an unfortunate battle-tactic with real consequences.

--------------

Do you see what's happening? Republicans don't like anything Obama. Republicans don't like to help the middle class. By preventing any government help that would insure millions of Americans states with Republican Governors, they hope to overturn the law. Leave millions of American without healthcare. It's not the law. The law is designed to help people. It's not Obama. Without Obama care, 30 million wouldn't be covered. It's Republicans. They want to fuck you over. They will repeal, but replace? No way.
Notice how Republicans keep whining about Democrats. Where are they holding their leaders to account? They aren't. They are fucking themselves biglee and trying to blame it on Democrats. Well Democrats tried. How have Republicans tried? They only try to see you suffer and die without healthcare. So stop whining and man up. If you vote for people who want you to suffer, then suffer and stop complaining about it. You voted for them. You should have known better. So they are liars. Many of you even knew they were liars but hoped to stick it to Democrats. Well, you stuck it to yourselves, so deal with it.

So let me get this straight. YOU'RE blaming this on "under the table deals" with the insurance companies to secretly bail them out and keep them in the exchanges... And youre against getting Congressional approval for these sketchy deals? Call it "cost sharing" or whatever you like. Without Congressional management and oversight ---- I call it pork and dirty dealing and govt/corporate collusion..

What an idiot. Supports all that stuff when it's HIS GUYS doing the graft, corruption and bypass of oversight..

 

[jon_berzerk]

Are 80% of those on Obamacare people who voted for Trump?

could be Americans are usually not very receptive of being mandated

to buy a product or fined or face serious actions for failing to do so

Taxes are a mandate.
Needing money is a mandate.
Needing food is a mandate.

People without healthcare die. Republicans cheer. Even when it's other Republicans.

you are a delusional crackpot

seek professional help