Arctic Ice Melt: The Warmer are full of Soot

"Even worse, most models got the timing of the soot distribution wrong. "That's pretty serious,' says Husain. Their findings indicated that twice as much soot was deposited on snow in winter compared with summer, meaning that the sunlight-absorbing soot likely caused greater melting of the Arctic ice cap during the winter."

So, the models are totally wrong
 
Poor confused Frank, humiliating himself again by failing to understand the difference between how soot works on sea ice vs. land ice.

At the more southern latitudes where the soot-from-China falls, the sea ice melts out every year. The soot has no chance to build up. In the more northern latitudes, the sea ice is tumbling about, so there's no soot build up on the surface there either. Soot means jack for sea ice melt.

Greenland and other land-based ice-sheets, that's another story. That's further south, the glacial ice doesn't tumble. Over the years, the soot does build up on the ice pack and increases the melt. Scientists have only known this since forever. Good of Frank to join the party.

Dark Snow Project

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Admiral Dipshit, busted again.

The models are fucked.

The soot is melting the ice

Check the unread article and reorder your AGW Kneepads

Might want to read the article next time. Seems the AGW Cult doesn't bother to read before defending
 
These bozo's tell bald faced lies all the time about the arctic ice. In 2013, the area of ice had increased by more than 1/3 which was clearly visible from statellite pics comparing it to 2012........I posted up the images.......and the bozo's were STILL talking about it shrinking as if everybody and their brother were born last Monday!!
 
meaning that the sunlight-absorbing soot likely caused greater melting of the Arctic ice cap during the winter."

So according to Frank's kook theory here, the winter sunlight in the arctic is melting the ice.

Yep, he actually put those words together. Winter. Sunlight. Arctic. Is there anyone not laughing out loud now?

Who wants to break the news to poor addled Frank? You know, that in the winter, there is no sunlight in the arctic.
 
And just what made that ocean warmer?

I'm a little foggy on the method by which atmospheric CO2 warmed the ocean 900M down. Can you enlighten me?

OK moron, why has the top 800M not warmed? Why is there differences in thermoline temps which show downward intrusion of heat has not occurred?

The laws of thermodynamics in salt water are being defied by your proclamations. Physics is not your friend. IN order for any warming to happen below 200M the upper levels must warm by a factor of 10X... where are the boiling oceans?
 
OK moron, why has the top 800M not warmed?

It has warmed. Hence the all-time record high sea surface temperatures.

2014 - The Highest Global Mean Sea Surface Temperatures Ever Recorded - SciTech Daily

So how is it you manage to get the basics so completely wrong every time? You're like a virtuoso at failing.

IN order for any warming to happen below 200M the upper levels must warm by a factor of 10X...

No. You're babbling your cult stupidity again.
 
OK moron, why has the top 800M not warmed?

It has warmed. Hence the all-time record high sea surface temperatures.

2014 - The Highest Global Mean Sea Surface Temperatures Ever Recorded - SciTech Daily

So how is it you manage to get the basics so completely wrong every time? You're like a virtuoso at failing.

IN order for any warming to happen below 200M the upper levels must warm by a factor of 10X...

No. You're babbling your cult stupidity again.
and there it is again!!!! Just as I stated!!!
 
Poor confused Frank, humiliating himself again by failing to understand the difference between how soot works on sea ice vs. land ice.

At the more southern latitudes where the soot-from-China falls, the sea ice melts out every year. The soot has no chance to build up. In the more northern latitudes, the sea ice is tumbling about, so there's no soot build up on the surface there either. Soot means jack for sea ice melt.

Greenland and other land-based ice-sheets, that's another story. That's further south, the glacial ice doesn't tumble. Over the years, the soot does build up on the ice pack and increases the melt. Scientists have only known this since forever. Good of Frank to join the party.

Dark Snow Project

80585.adapt.676.1.jpg
meaning that the sunlight-absorbing soot likely caused greater melting of the Arctic ice cap during the winter."

So according to Frank's kook theory here, the winter sunlight in the arctic is melting the ice.

Yep, he actually put those words together. Winter. Sunlight. Arctic. Is there anyone not laughing out loud now?

Who wants to break the news to poor addled Frank? You know, that in the winter, there is no sunlight in the arctic.

It's an article in Discovery you stupid Twat, that highlights how the AGWCult ignored reality in their models
 
Poor confused Frank, humiliating himself again by failing to understand the difference between how soot works on sea ice vs. land ice.

At the more southern latitudes where the soot-from-China falls, the sea ice melts out every year. The soot has no chance to build up. In the more northern latitudes, the sea ice is tumbling about, so there's no soot build up on the surface there either. Soot means jack for sea ice melt.

Greenland and other land-based ice-sheets, that's another story. That's further south, the glacial ice doesn't tumble. Over the years, the soot does build up on the ice pack and increases the melt. Scientists have only known this since forever. Good of Frank to join the party.

Dark Snow Project

80585.adapt.676.1.jpg
meaning that the sunlight-absorbing soot likely caused greater melting of the Arctic ice cap during the winter."

So according to Frank's kook theory here, the winter sunlight in the arctic is melting the ice.

Yep, he actually put those words together. Winter. Sunlight. Arctic. Is there anyone not laughing out loud now?

Who wants to break the news to poor addled Frank? You know, that in the winter, there is no sunlight in the arctic.

It's an article in Discovery you stupid Twat, that highlights how the AGWCult ignored reality in their models
frank,

We're still waiting on that experiment! I laugh daily at the fact that over one thousand experiments exist, their words, and yet not one has been presented accurate.
 
It's an article in Discovery you stupid Twat, that highlights how the AGWCult ignored reality in their models

So you're sticking to your claim that the winter sun is melting the Arctic, even though the Arctic barely sees any sun in the winter.

Good luck with that.

Also, it's "Discover Magazine", not "Discovery." And it's not a science journal. And nobody knows what the article actually said, since it's paywalled. Where did you copy your little excerpt from?
 
It's an article in Discovery you stupid Twat, that highlights how the AGWCult ignored reality in their models

So you're sticking to your claim that the winter sun is melting the Arctic, even though the Arctic barely sees any sun in the winter.

Good luck with that.

Also, it's "Discover Magazine", not "Discovery." And it's not a science journal. And nobody knows what the article actually said, since it's paywalled. Where did you copy your little excerpt from?

I have the magazine right in front of me
 
From Discover's website

FROM THE JANUARY 2008 ISSUE
19. Soot Began Harming Arctic A Century Ago
Industrial black carbon—particularly in the period around 1900—left a dirty, harmful human smudge on the Arctic, researchers say.

Black carbon absorbs a wide spectrum of light radiation, so a little sootretains a lot of heat. “Even the tiniest amount of black carbon will change quite dramatically the reflectance properties of the snow,” says Joe McConnell of the Desert Research Institute in Reno, Nevada. “That means that the snow will absorb more energy and therefore melt faster.” If the snow melts early, he adds, the ground below it is even less reflective, heating the surroundings still more.

Studying ice cores from central Greenland, McConnell and his colleagues measured black carbon levels from 1788 to 2002. At their peak, in 1908, the concentrations were 10 times their preindustrial levels, the researchers reported in September. Concentrations of two other chemicals in the ice cores, vanillic acid (a chemical formed when conifer forests burn) and non–sea salt sulfur (a primary component in acid rain), helped distinguish between soot from natural sources and that from industrial pollution. Forest fires produced much of the Arctic soot before 1850, but between the late 1880s and 1950, industrial black carbon pollution predominated.

WUWT also had an article sucked from the AGU's weekly newsletter about soot on the Arctic ice. I don't see anything about the winter Arctic sun in either one. Maybe it's able to shine through the Earth and melt the snow and ice from underneath...
 
Perhaps the article is saying something about carbon deposits being seasonal - more in the winter?
 

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