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still no response to why your heroes Mann and Jones used funky methods and faulty data to make exaggerated claims of warming in the arctic Old Rocks?
The United States Academy of Sciences reviewed the Mann paper. They found that there were errors in methods. They used their own methods, and came up with nearly the same graph as Mann. Perhaps you wish to state that the Academy of Sciences is also populated by incompetants?
Access : Academy affirms hockey-stick graph : Nature
The United States Academy of Sciences reviewed the Mann paper. They found that there were errors in methods. They used their own methods, and came up with nearly the same graph as Mann. Perhaps you wish to state that the Academy of Sciences is also populated by incompetants?
Access : Academy affirms hockey-stick graph : Nature
1977, a Year of Weather Extremes,
Causing Concern Among Experts
By JAMES P. STERBA Special to The New York Times July 14, 1977
HOUSTON, July 13 The year began with a blizzard of superlatives: It was among the coldest winters in history in the East, the driest in the West. People froze in New York, tomatoes glaciated in Florida, streams ran dry in Oregon and bears sweated in Alaska in January.
[This was the summer before the record cold winter of 1977-78. - Ed.]
Experts Fear Great Peril If SST Fumes Cool Earth
By WALTER SULLIVAN December 21, 1975,
A federally sponsored inquiry into the effects of possible climate changes caused by heavy supersonic traffic in the stratosphere has concluded that even a slight cooling could cost the world from $200 billion to 500 times that much in damage done to agriculture, public health and other effects.
Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing - Major Cooling May Be Ahead
By WALTER SULLIVAN May 21, 1975
The worlds climate is changing. Of that scientists are firmly convinced. But in what direction and why are subjects of deepening debate.
Climate Changes Endanger Worlds Food Output
By HAROLD M. SCHMECK Jr. August 08, 1974
Scientists View Global Climate Changes as Threat to Worlds Food Output; Soviet Estimate Rises New Pattern Emerging; 7th Year of Draught Problems in Iowa; Benefits of Technology
Worrying About a New Ice Age
WALTER SULLIVAN February 23, 1969
For the past few hundred thousand years the climate of the earth has oscillated enough to produce a succession of frigid ice ages and warm interglacial periods. It has generally been assumed that these climate changes were gradual, but new theories that they occur with devastating suddenness are now being tested.
[... and there's this, also by Walter Sullivan, three days previous. - Ed.]
Expert Says Arctic Ocean Will Soon Be an Open Sea -
Catastrophic Shifts in Climate Feared if Change Occurs; Other Specialists See No Thinning of Polar Ice CapBy WALTER SULLIVAN February 20, 1969
Col. Bernt Balchen, polar explorer and flier, is circulating a paper among polar specialists proposing that the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two.
SCIENTISTS AGREE WORLD IS COLDER;But Climate Experts Meeting Here Fail to Agree on Reasons for Change
By WALTER SULLIVAN January 30, 1961
After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous agreement on only one point: it is getting colder.
[What do you call it when "scientists agree"? Oh, yeah ... a consensus! - Ed.]
Winters Since 40 Found Colder In Studies by Weather Bureau;
Data Indicate, a Reversal of a Warming Trend That Began in 1888
By WALTER SULLIVAN. January 25, 1961
Winters throughout the world have been getting steadily colder since 1940, according to a study carried out by the United States Weather Bureau.
ICE IN ANTARCTIC REPORTED ON RISE; Sheet Growing at Rate of 293 Cubic Miles Yearly, Soviet Expert Says; I.G.Y. DATA DISCLOSED; Hoarfrost Is Said to Fall the Year Around in Heart of Polar Continent; ICE IN ANTARCTIC IS FOUND PILING UP
By WALTER SULLIVAN Special to The New York Times. August 04, 1960
HELSINKI, Finland, Aug. 3 The immense mass of Antarctic ice is growing at the rate of about 293 cubic miles a year, a Soviet glaciologist estimates.
["I.G.Y." was the International Geophysical Year. - ed.]
CLIMATE WARMING IN THE ANTARCTIC5-Degree Rise Over the Last Half Century Is Recorded at Little America; ICE IS FOUND THICKER; Director of U. S. Program Says Sheet Drops 10,000 Feet in Many Areas
By WALTER SULLIVAN May 31, 1958,
An analysis of weather records from Little America shows a steady warming of climate over the last half century. The rise in average temperature at the Antarctic outpost has been about five degrees Fahrenheit.
Carbon Dioxide Due to Change Climate
The New York Times, June 1956
Why Earth Warms;
Scientist Blames Man-Made Changes on Earths Surface
NY Times, September 25, 1955Dr. John G. Hutton of the General Electric Companys engineering laboratory in Schenectady, N.Y., told the Cleveland section of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers last week that the man-made increase in the belt of carbon dioxide around the earth may be having a greenhouse effect on our climate.
50-YEAR FORECASTS TIED TO SUNS HEATAstrophysicist Says There Is Definite Link Between Solar Radiation and Weather
Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES. August 16, 1953
WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 A farmer or a resort owner may some day be able to look at a chart and accurately determine certain general weather trends that will tell him years in advance about when there will be rain and about when there will be drought.
Is Climate Changing?; Habits of Mammals and Birds Suggest World Is Warmer
October 15, 1950Is the world warming up? Dr. Joseph J. Hickey, Professor of Wildlife Management at the
University of Wisconsin, holds that it is. He has drawn his evidence from the changing habits of some half-dozen species of mammals
EXPERTS DO NOT BLAME RADIO FOR RAIN AND CHILLY SPRINGWeather Man Disagrees With Theory of Paul Painleve Says Radio Cannot Control Elements Sun Spots Responsible
The New York Times, June 1926AMERICAN radio men and weather forecasters do not agree with Paul Painleve, the French Minister of War, that radio waves are responsible for the rainy, chilly weather that has persisted this Spring. The Minister of War called attention to the fact that the introduction of radio waves into a tightly closed room where the air is absolutely transparent cause little drops of water to form on the faces of those in the room.
[Editor's note: This observation predated the formation of the Black Eyed Peas by some 80 years.]
CHANGE IN CLIMATE KILLING PARK TREES;There Has Been a Decided Decrease in Rainfall and Humidity Here in Five Years.HAVOC IN CENTRAL PARK Record Cold Killed 4,000, but Poor Soil Is Chief Cause of LossSuggestions for Restoration.
The New York Times, November 9, 1919New Yorks climate has changed considerably in the last twenty years, and that is one of the reasons for the wholesale death of trees in Central Park, according to Charles Lathrop Pack, President of the American Forestry Association, who has written in the current issue of American Forestry an extended review of the causes of tree failure in Central Park,
THE CLIMATE OF AUSTRALIA; IT IS ONE OF SUDDEN AND VIOLENT CHANGES.NY Times May 21, 1893
With and Bad Drainage of Melbourne Sydney and Auckland Remarkable for the Severity of Rains Queensland and New South Wales Have Ideal Winters Tasmania Has the Healthiest of Climates Easy of Access to Invalids Air Good for Consumptives.
IS OUR CLIMATE CHANGING?
The New York Times, February 3, 1889
An article in the Forum for February is upon the subject of the much-talked-of change in our climate. The writer, Prof. CLEVELAND ABBE, says that the notion that it is possible for a climate to change to a modern one. Our ancestors lived in a region
Is Climate Changing?
NY Times, March 25, 1888
Formerly wine was made in England, the change of climate might be the principal reason that this manufacture does not now flourish. There are, however, many reasons why British wine does not command a market at present. At the best it must have been sorry stuff;
what?!? climate has always been changing and people have always predicted doom? what a surprise!
The United States Academy of Sciences reviewed the Mann paper. They found that there were errors in methods. They used their own methods, and came up with nearly the same graph as Mann. Perhaps you wish to state that the Academy of Sciences is also populated by incompetants?
Access : Academy affirms hockey-stick graph : Nature
Do you ever actually investigate these inquiries or do you just suck on the teat at Real Climate? Damage control is a wonderful thing when you can control the media. It never seems to matter to you that these papers are shown to be totally fucked up, and when caught out, the climate science community scraps up something that looks sorta close and then says it doesnt matter because we 'improved it'.
How do you justify Mann and Jones using those bad methodologies and bad data to make that sensationalistic report for Sveldsbard (sp)?
The United States Academy of Sciences reviewed the Mann paper. They found that there were errors in methods. They used their own methods, and came up with nearly the same graph as Mann. Perhaps you wish to state that the Academy of Sciences is also populated by incompetants?
Access : Academy affirms hockey-stick graph : Nature
Do you ever actually investigate these inquiries or do you just suck on the teat at Real Climate? Damage control is a wonderful thing when you can control the media. It never seems to matter to you that these papers are shown to be totally fucked up, and when caught out, the climate science community scraps up something that looks sorta close and then says it doesnt matter because we 'improved it'.
How do you justify Mann and Jones using those bad methodologies and bad data to make that sensationalistic report for Sveldsbard (sp)?
Old Rocks- I really would like to know if you approve of Mann and Jones misuse of methods and data. they are supposedly top of their field, so do you think their obviously sophomoric mistakes were done on purpose to exaggerate their results or do you think they really are so bad at their occupation that they honestly made the mistakes? or is there some other excuse that you think is more reasonable?
Do you ever actually investigate these inquiries or do you just suck on the teat at Real Climate? Damage control is a wonderful thing when you can control the media. It never seems to matter to you that these papers are shown to be totally fucked up, and when caught out, the climate science community scraps up something that looks sorta close and then says it doesnt matter because we 'improved it'.
How do you justify Mann and Jones using those bad methodologies and bad data to make that sensationalistic report for Sveldsbard (sp)?
Old Rocks- I really would like to know if you approve of Mann and Jones misuse of methods and data. they are supposedly top of their field, so do you think their obviously sophomoric mistakes were done on purpose to exaggerate their results or do you think they really are so bad at their occupation that they honestly made the mistakes? or is there some other excuse that you think is more reasonable?
Old Rocks- why wont you answer the question? it is obvious that you consider any opinion supporting AGW alarmism as important and righteous no matter the method used so why dont you just say so?
to produce a best estimate of the weather conditions over the entire globe during the last 50 years, filling in regions where no observations were made. These reanalysis datasets help compensate for the lack of observations over the Arctic.
Interactive Regression - Interactive regression allows the user to calculate the best fit for a user selected time span, in this case, 1950 - 2005. Stockholm has experienced an increase of 0.039oC per year increase since 1950, equivalent to 3.9 oC per century, a high temperature increase rate.
