Arabs Must First Stop Killing Each Other Before Peace Happens

[P F Tinmore]

It belonges to Israel.

When did that happen?

1948? 1967? you pick

Surrender? Peace agreement?

Links?

 

[JStone]

When did that happen?

1948? 1967? you pick

Surrender? Peace agreement?

Links?

Lebanese American Fouad Ajami, Professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is co-chair of the Hoover Working Group on Islamism and the International Order.The Wall Street Journal, June 1, 2011

The [UN] vote in 1947 was viewed as Israel's basic title to independence and] statehood. The Palestinians and the Arab powers had rejected partition and chosen the path of war. Their choice was to prove calamitous.

By the time the guns had fallen silent, the Yishuv, the Jewish community in Palestine, had held its ground against the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Its forces stood on the shores of the Red Sea in the south, and at the foot of the Golan Heights in the north. Palestinian society had collapsed under the pressure of war. The elites had made their way to neighboring lands. Rural communities had been left atomized and leaderless. The cities had fought, and fallen, alone. '"

Palestine had become a great Arab shame. Few Arabs were willing to tell the story truthfully, to face its harsh verdict. Henceforth the Palestinians would live on a vague idea of restoration and return. No leader had the courage to tell the refugees who had left Acre and Jaffa and Haifa that they could not recover the homes and orchards of their imagination.

Some had taken the keys to their houses with them to Syria and Lebanon and across the river to Jordan. They were no more likely to find political satisfaction than the Jews who had been banished from Baghdad and Beirut and Cairo, and Casablanca and Fez, but the idea of return, enshrined into a "right of return," would persist. (Wadi Abu Jamil, the Jewish quarter of the Beirut of my boyhood, is now a Hezbollah stronghold, and no narrative exalts or recalls that old presence.)

The vote at the General Assembly was of immense help, but it wasn't the decisive factor in the founding of the Jewish state. The hard work had been done in the three decades between the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the vote on partition. Realism had guided the Zionist project. We will take a state even if it is the size of a tablecloth, said Chaim Weizmann, one of the founding fathers of the Zionist endeavor.

Sadly, the Palestinian national movement has known a different kind of leadership, unique in its mix of maximalism and sense of entitlement, in its refusal to accept what can and can't be had in the world of nations. Leadership is often about luck, the kind of individuals a people's history brings forth. It was the distinct misfortune of the Palestinians that when it truly mattered, and for nearly four decades, they were led by a juggler, Yasser Arafat, a man fated to waste his people's chances.

Arafat was neither a Ben-Gurion leading his people to statehood, nor an Anwar Sadat accepting the logic of peace and compromise. He had been an enemy of Israel, but Israel had reached an accord with him in 1993, made room for him, and for a regime of his choice in Gaza. He had warred against the United States, but American diplomacy had fallen under his spell, and the years of the Clinton presidency were devoted to the delusion that the man could summon the courage to accept a practical peace.

But Arafat would do nothing of the kind. Until his death in 2004, he refrained from telling the Palestinians the harsh truths they needed to hear about the urgency of practicality and compromise. Instead, he held out the illusion that the Palestinians can have it all, from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. His real constituents were in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Syria and Jordan, and among the Palestinians in Kuwait. So he peddled the dream that history's verdict could be overturned, that the "right of return" was theirs.

There was hope that the Arafat legacy would go with him to the grave.The new Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas had been a lieutenant of Arafat's, but there were hints of a break with the Arafat legacy. The alliance between Fatah and Hamas that Mr. Abbas has opted for put these hopes to rest. And the illusion that the U.N. can break the stalemate in the Holy Land is vintage Arafat. It was Arafat who turned up at the General Assembly in 1974 with a holster on his hip, and who proclaimed that he had come bearing a freedom fighter's gun and an olive branch, and that it was up to the U.N. not to let the olive branch fall from his hand.

For the Palestinians there can be no escape from negotiations with Israel. The other Arabs shall not redeem Palestinian rights. They have their own burdens to bear. In this Arab Spring, this season of popular uprisings, little has been said in Tunis and Cairo and Damascus and Sanaa about Palestine.

Fouad Ajami: The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State - WSJ.com

 

[georgephillip]

SURIF, West Bank -- A 20-year-old Palestinian woman who was thrown into a well and left to die in the name of "family honor" has not become just another statistic in one of the Middle East's most shameful practices.

The killing of Aya Baradiya – by an uncle who didn't like a potential suitor – sparked such outrage that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas scrapped laws this week that guaranteed sentences of six months or less for such killings.

On the day of the killing, the uncle and two accomplices snatched the woman and tied her hands and feet, Hebron police chief Ramadan Awad said. The suspects told interrogators she screamed and demanded to know why they wanted to kill her, but the uncle said only that she deserved to die, he said. She told them she had done nothing wrong, then her attackers dumped her into the well The water would have reached to her neck, Awad said, adding: "We can't be sure ... if she died immediately or it took her a long time to die."

So-called "honor killings" are committed regularly in traditional Arab societies that enforce strict separation between the sexes and view an unmarried woman's unsupervised contact with a man, even by telephone, as a stain on the family's reputation. There were nine such killings in the West Bank last year, and Jordan reports about 20 every year.

The police chief said suspects in honor killings often come forward immediately because they don't face serious punishment and a confession is part of the "cleansing" of family honor. However, Aya Baradiya's uncle remained silent, even saying at one point that his niece had called him and told him she just decided to go away.

Leniency for honor killings dates back to a 1960 Jordanian legal codex, parts of which are still in effect in the West Bank; the area was under Jordanian rule until it was captured by Israel in 1967. Awad, the Hebron police chief, said that under the old system, someone who killed for family honor would get a maximum of six months in prison.

In 2010, there were nine family honor killings in the West Bank, Awad said. In most cases, "family honor" was just a pretext, he added: Men would kill to clear the path for remarriage, get their wives' gold or because of problems in the family. The tougher new laws will likely reduce the number of such killings, he said.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, at least 10 women were killed by male relatives over the past three years, according to a local activist, Majda Ibrahim. She said punishment is generally light, though in one case, a man was sentenced to death for killing his cousin after she rejected his marriage proposal. The man is on death row.

Palestinian Woman Aya Baradiya's 'Honor' Killing Sparks Tougher West Bank Laws

Winston Churchill...

Which country/religion is the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet?

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

MMS: Error

Which geek/ideots is the greatest purveyor of bull crap on the face of this planet? PFTinmore or GeorgePhillip?

Which self described Zio-Nazi won't tell us the number of children murdered by the US military since 1945? Still in denial?

 

[JStone]

Which country/religion is the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet?

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

MMS: Error

Which geek/ideots is the greatest purveyor of bull crap on the face of this planet? PFTinmore or GeorgePhillip?

Which self described Zio-Nazi won't tell us the number of children murdered by the US military since 1945? Still in denial?

No love for the hundreds of thousands of children slaughtered in Darfur by the religion of peace?

The genocide in Darfur has claimed 400,000 lives and displaced over 2,500,000 people. More than one hundred people continue to die each day; five thousand die every month.

Since February 2003, the Sudanese government in Khartoum and the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia have used rape, displacement, organized starvation, threats against aid workers and mass murder. Violence, disease, and displacement continue to kill thousands of innocent Darfurians every month.
Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ojg9UjMk0]The Genocide In Darfur - YouTube[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

What role does O-I-L play in Sudan's misery?

"Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.

"The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur."

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

 

[JStone]

What role does O-I-L play in Sudan's misery?

"Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.

"The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur."

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

Georgie, they have a full week dedicated to miserable people like you. Use the time wisely...
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[Hossfly]

Which country/religion is the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet?

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

MMS: Error

Which geek/ideots is the greatest purveyor of bull crap on the face of this planet? PFTinmore or GeorgePhillip?

Which self described Zio-Nazi won't tell us the number of children murdered by the US military since 1945? Still in denial?

How the hell should I know? You tell me. Links?

 

[Hossfly]

What role does O-I-L play in Sudan's misery?

"Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.

"The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur."

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

Sudan taking a page from Shaka Zulu's book.Un-civilized animals.

 

[georgephillip]

Which geek/ideots is the greatest purveyor of bull crap on the face of this planet? PFTinmore or GeorgePhillip?

Which self described Zio-Nazi won't tell us the number of children murdered by the US military since 1945? Still in denial?

How the hell should I know? You tell me. Links?

More or less than Iran?

 

[Billo_Really]

International law is based on nothing, just like the biased political organization known as the UN.

Law does not mean justice, and it is not made to make justice. It is made in order to make less headaches to people that at many times don't know what they're talking about.

This country is based on the rule of law. Respecting the law is who we are as American's. Obeying the law is what separates us from all other forms of government.

International Law is a system of treaties governments agree to honor. It's what prevents the nazi Germany's from rising up and doing what they did 50 years ago. If you think the law is based on nothing, you must think might makes right and he who has the biggest stick, can do whatever he feels like it.

 

[georgephillip]

What role does O-I-L play in Sudan's misery?

"Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.

"The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur."

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

Sudan taking a page from Shaka Zulu's book.Un-civilized animals.

"William Rubinstein wrote that 'Western guilt over colonialism, have also accounted for much of this distortion of what pre-literate societies actually were like, as does the wish to avoid anything which smacks of racism, even when this means distorting the actual and often appalling facts of life in many pre-literate societies'".[26] Rubinstein also notes:

"'One element in Shaka's destruction was to create a vast artificial desert around his domain ... 'to make the destruction complete, organized bands of Zulu murderers regularly patrolled the waste, hunting for any stray men and running them down like wild pig.' ... An area 200 miles to the north of the center of the state, 300 miles to the west, and 500 miles to the south was ravaged and depopulated ...'"[26]

How does that compare to Hiroshima or Fallujah?

Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JStone]

What role does O-I-L play in Sudan's misery?

"Government neglect has left people throughout Sudan poor and voiceless and has caused conflict throughout the country. In February 2003, frustrated by poverty and neglect, two Darfurian rebel groups launched an uprising against the Khartoum government.

"The government responded with a scorched-earth campaign, enlisting the help of a militia of Arab nomadic tribes in the region against the innocent civilians of Darfur."

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

Sudan taking a page from Shaka Zulu's book.Un-civilized animals.

"William Rubinstein wrote that 'Western guilt over colonialism, have also accounted for much of this distortion of what pre-literate societies actually were like, as does the wish to avoid anything which smacks of racism, even when this means distorting the actual and often appalling facts of life in many pre-literate societies'".[26] Rubinstein also notes:

"'One element in Shaka's destruction was to create a vast artificial desert around his domain ... 'to make the destruction complete, organized bands of Zulu murderers regularly patrolled the waste, hunting for any stray men and running them down like wild pig.' ... An area 200 miles to the north of the center of the state, 300 miles to the west, and 500 miles to the south was ravaged and depopulated ...'"[26]

How does that compare to Hiroshima or Fallujah?

Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How has arab colonialism worked out that the rabs stole from the Jews and Christians, georgie with no rep points? Except for oil, a natural resource stolen from the Earth, rabs are worthless excrement.

 

[georgephillip]

Sudan taking a page from Shaka Zulu's book.Un-civilized animals.

"William Rubinstein wrote that 'Western guilt over colonialism, have also accounted for much of this distortion of what pre-literate societies actually were like, as does the wish to avoid anything which smacks of racism, even when this means distorting the actual and often appalling facts of life in many pre-literate societies'".[26] Rubinstein also notes:

"'One element in Shaka's destruction was to create a vast artificial desert around his domain ... 'to make the destruction complete, organized bands of Zulu murderers regularly patrolled the waste, hunting for any stray men and running them down like wild pig.' ... An area 200 miles to the north of the center of the state, 300 miles to the west, and 500 miles to the south was ravaged and depopulated ...'"[26]

How does that compare to Hiroshima or Fallujah?

Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How has arab colonialism worked out that the rabs stole from the Jews and Christians, georgie with no rep points? Except for oil, a natural resource stolen from the Earth, rabs are worthless excrement.

Projecting much...?

You (and Bibi) the best examples of worthless excrement I've seen lately.

 

[JStone]

"William Rubinstein wrote that 'Western guilt over colonialism, have also accounted for much of this distortion of what pre-literate societies actually were like, as does the wish to avoid anything which smacks of racism, even when this means distorting the actual and often appalling facts of life in many pre-literate societies'".[26] Rubinstein also notes:

"'One element in Shaka's destruction was to create a vast artificial desert around his domain ... 'to make the destruction complete, organized bands of Zulu murderers regularly patrolled the waste, hunting for any stray men and running them down like wild pig.' ... An area 200 miles to the north of the center of the state, 300 miles to the west, and 500 miles to the south was ravaged and depopulated ...'"[26]

How does that compare to Hiroshima or Fallujah?

Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How has arab colonialism worked out that the rabs stole from the Jews and Christians, georgie with no rep points? Except for oil, a natural resource stolen from the Earth, rabs are worthless excrement.

Projecting much...?

You (and Bibi) the best examples of worthless excrement I've seen lately.

The Arabs existed in Arabia, for the most part, 1400 years ago. Now, they control 99.9% of the Middle East and north Africa.

Did the Arabs acquire this land by politely knocking on every country's doors and nicely inviting themselves in?

 

[georgephillip]

How about 1948 when one-third of Palestinians imposed a Jewish state by force of arms on the Palestinian majority? Who's getting rich from that crime?

 

[JStone]

How about 1948 when one-third of Palestinians imposed a Jewish state by force of arms on the Palestinian majority? Who's getting rich from that crime?

Er, Jews created Israel about 1000 BCE. Maybe, open a book?