Arabs Must First Stop Killing Each Other Before Peace Happens

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SURIF, West Bank -- A 20-year-old Palestinian woman who was thrown into a well and left to die in the name of "family honor" has not become just another statistic in one of the Middle East's most shameful practices.

The killing of Aya Baradiya – by an uncle who didn't like a potential suitor – sparked such outrage that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas scrapped laws this week that guaranteed sentences of six months or less for such killings.

On the day of the killing, the uncle and two accomplices snatched the woman and tied her hands and feet, Hebron police chief Ramadan Awad said. The suspects told interrogators she screamed and demanded to know why they wanted to kill her, but the uncle said only that she deserved to die, he said. She told them she had done nothing wrong, then her attackers dumped her into the well The water would have reached to her neck, Awad said, adding: "We can't be sure ... if she died immediately or it took her a long time to die."

So-called "honor killings" are committed regularly in traditional Arab societies that enforce strict separation between the sexes and view an unmarried woman's unsupervised contact with a man, even by telephone, as a stain on the family's reputation. There were nine such killings in the West Bank last year, and Jordan reports about 20 every year.

The police chief said suspects in honor killings often come forward immediately because they don't face serious punishment and a confession is part of the "cleansing" of family honor. However, Aya Baradiya's uncle remained silent, even saying at one point that his niece had called him and told him she just decided to go away.

Leniency for honor killings dates back to a 1960 Jordanian legal codex, parts of which are still in effect in the West Bank; the area was under Jordanian rule until it was captured by Israel in 1967. Awad, the Hebron police chief, said that under the old system, someone who killed for family honor would get a maximum of six months in prison.

In 2010, there were nine family honor killings in the West Bank, Awad said. In most cases, "family honor" was just a pretext, he added: Men would kill to clear the path for remarriage, get their wives' gold or because of problems in the family. The tougher new laws will likely reduce the number of such killings, he said.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, at least 10 women were killed by male relatives over the past three years, according to a local activist, Majda Ibrahim. She said punishment is generally light, though in one case, a man was sentenced to death for killing his cousin after she rejected his marriage proposal. The man is on death row.

Palestinian Woman Aya Baradiya's 'Honor' Killing Sparks Tougher West Bank Laws

Winston Churchill...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books
 
:omg: :nono:
SURIF, West Bank -- A 20-year-old Palestinian woman who was thrown into a well and left to die in the name of "family honor" has not become just another statistic in one of the Middle East's most shameful practices.

The killing of Aya Baradiya – by an uncle who didn't like a potential suitor – sparked such outrage that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas scrapped laws this week that guaranteed sentences of six months or less for such killings.

On the day of the killing, the uncle and two accomplices snatched the woman and tied her hands and feet, Hebron police chief Ramadan Awad said. The suspects told interrogators she screamed and demanded to know why they wanted to kill her, but the uncle said only that she deserved to die, he said. She told them she had done nothing wrong, then her attackers dumped her into the well The water would have reached to her neck, Awad said, adding: "We can't be sure ... if she died immediately or it took her a long time to die."

So-called "honor killings" are committed regularly in traditional Arab societies that enforce strict separation between the sexes and view an unmarried woman's unsupervised contact with a man, even by telephone, as a stain on the family's reputation. There were nine such killings in the West Bank last year, and Jordan reports about 20 every year.

The police chief said suspects in honor killings often come forward immediately because they don't face serious punishment and a confession is part of the "cleansing" of family honor. However, Aya Baradiya's uncle remained silent, even saying at one point that his niece had called him and told him she just decided to go away.

Leniency for honor killings dates back to a 1960 Jordanian legal codex, parts of which are still in effect in the West Bank; the area was under Jordanian rule until it was captured by Israel in 1967. Awad, the Hebron police chief, said that under the old system, someone who killed for family honor would get a maximum of six months in prison.

In 2010, there were nine family honor killings in the West Bank, Awad said. In most cases, "family honor" was just a pretext, he added: Men would kill to clear the path for remarriage, get their wives' gold or because of problems in the family. The tougher new laws will likely reduce the number of such killings, he said.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, at least 10 women were killed by male relatives over the past three years, according to a local activist, Majda Ibrahim. She said punishment is generally light, though in one case, a man was sentenced to death for killing his cousin after she rejected his marriage proposal. The man is on death row.

Palestinian Woman Aya Baradiya's 'Honor' Killing Sparks Tougher West Bank Laws

Winston Churchill...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books
You need to stop being such a god-damn racist, for peace to happen.
 
:omg: :nono:
SURIF, West Bank -- A 20-year-old Palestinian woman who was thrown into a well and left to die in the name of "family honor" has not become just another statistic in one of the Middle East's most shameful practices.

The killing of Aya Baradiya – by an uncle who didn't like a potential suitor – sparked such outrage that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas scrapped laws this week that guaranteed sentences of six months or less for such killings.

On the day of the killing, the uncle and two accomplices snatched the woman and tied her hands and feet, Hebron police chief Ramadan Awad said. The suspects told interrogators she screamed and demanded to know why they wanted to kill her, but the uncle said only that she deserved to die, he said. She told them she had done nothing wrong, then her attackers dumped her into the well The water would have reached to her neck, Awad said, adding: "We can't be sure ... if she died immediately or it took her a long time to die."

So-called "honor killings" are committed regularly in traditional Arab societies that enforce strict separation between the sexes and view an unmarried woman's unsupervised contact with a man, even by telephone, as a stain on the family's reputation. There were nine such killings in the West Bank last year, and Jordan reports about 20 every year.

The police chief said suspects in honor killings often come forward immediately because they don't face serious punishment and a confession is part of the "cleansing" of family honor. However, Aya Baradiya's uncle remained silent, even saying at one point that his niece had called him and told him she just decided to go away.

Leniency for honor killings dates back to a 1960 Jordanian legal codex, parts of which are still in effect in the West Bank; the area was under Jordanian rule until it was captured by Israel in 1967. Awad, the Hebron police chief, said that under the old system, someone who killed for family honor would get a maximum of six months in prison.

In 2010, there were nine family honor killings in the West Bank, Awad said. In most cases, "family honor" was just a pretext, he added: Men would kill to clear the path for remarriage, get their wives' gold or because of problems in the family. The tougher new laws will likely reduce the number of such killings, he said.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, at least 10 women were killed by male relatives over the past three years, according to a local activist, Majda Ibrahim. She said punishment is generally light, though in one case, a man was sentenced to death for killing his cousin after she rejected his marriage proposal. The man is on death row.

Palestinian Woman Aya Baradiya's 'Honor' Killing Sparks Tougher West Bank Laws

Winston Churchill...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books
You need to stop being such a god-damn racist, for peace to happen.

If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.
 
If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.
Everyone is capable of murder.

It wasn't an arab who killed Dr. Tiller.
 
10,000 Americans die every year from gunshots from other Americans.
Match that you Middle Eastern slackers!:D
 
:omg: :nono:
SURIF, West Bank -- A 20-year-old Palestinian woman who was thrown into a well and left to die in the name of "family honor" has not become just another statistic in one of the Middle East's most shameful practices.

The killing of Aya Baradiya – by an uncle who didn't like a potential suitor – sparked such outrage that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas scrapped laws this week that guaranteed sentences of six months or less for such killings.

On the day of the killing, the uncle and two accomplices snatched the woman and tied her hands and feet, Hebron police chief Ramadan Awad said. The suspects told interrogators she screamed and demanded to know why they wanted to kill her, but the uncle said only that she deserved to die, he said. She told them she had done nothing wrong, then her attackers dumped her into the well The water would have reached to her neck, Awad said, adding: "We can't be sure ... if she died immediately or it took her a long time to die."

So-called "honor killings" are committed regularly in traditional Arab societies that enforce strict separation between the sexes and view an unmarried woman's unsupervised contact with a man, even by telephone, as a stain on the family's reputation. There were nine such killings in the West Bank last year, and Jordan reports about 20 every year.

The police chief said suspects in honor killings often come forward immediately because they don't face serious punishment and a confession is part of the "cleansing" of family honor. However, Aya Baradiya's uncle remained silent, even saying at one point that his niece had called him and told him she just decided to go away.

Leniency for honor killings dates back to a 1960 Jordanian legal codex, parts of which are still in effect in the West Bank; the area was under Jordanian rule until it was captured by Israel in 1967. Awad, the Hebron police chief, said that under the old system, someone who killed for family honor would get a maximum of six months in prison.

In 2010, there were nine family honor killings in the West Bank, Awad said. In most cases, "family honor" was just a pretext, he added: Men would kill to clear the path for remarriage, get their wives' gold or because of problems in the family. The tougher new laws will likely reduce the number of such killings, he said.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, at least 10 women were killed by male relatives over the past three years, according to a local activist, Majda Ibrahim. She said punishment is generally light, though in one case, a man was sentenced to death for killing his cousin after she rejected his marriage proposal. The man is on death row.

Palestinian Woman Aya Baradiya's 'Honor' Killing Sparks Tougher West Bank Laws

Winston Churchill...
You need to stop being such a god-damn racist, for peace to happen.

If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.

Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.
 
"...I am proud to be a Jew — not despite of the world's relation to us, but precisely because of it. Because being a Jew is an art. to be a Jew is to be a fighter, an eternal swimmer against the roiling, evil current of humanity. The Jew is a hero, a martyr, a saint. One cannot free oneself of being a Jew. That is God's mark upon us; Those who do not understand this will never grasp the higher meaning of our martyrdom..." (Zvi Kolitz)

Completely delusional.
 
"...I am proud to be a Jew — not despite of the world's relation to us, but precisely because of it. Because being a Jew is an art. to be a Jew is to be a fighter, an eternal swimmer against the roiling, evil current of humanity. The Jew is a hero, a martyr, a saint. One cannot free oneself of being a Jew. That is God's mark upon us; Those who do not understand this will never grasp the higher meaning of our martyrdom..." (Zvi Kolitz)

Completely delusional.
Don't mess with the Zohan!
 
You need to stop being such a god-damn racist, for peace to happen.

If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.

Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.

Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:
 
If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.

Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.

Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:

Kinda like putting up a wall and checkpoints instead of solving the actual problem?:D
 
"...I am proud to be a Jew — not despite of the world's relation to us, but precisely because of it. Because being a Jew is an art. to be a Jew is to be a fighter, an eternal swimmer against the roiling, evil current of humanity. The Jew is a hero, a martyr, a saint. One cannot free oneself of being a Jew. That is God's mark upon us; Those who do not understand this will never grasp the higher meaning of our martyrdom..." (Zvi Kolitz)

Completely delusional.

:gives:

(been looking for the change to use THAT one:D)
 
Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.

Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:

Kinda like putting up a wall and checkpoints instead of solving the actual problem?:D

Checkpoints are no solution, I more then agree.

Terror should be dealt by other meanings.

Hope someone will come with an original idea
 
If ignoring the somewhat brutal way of saying things, a point to take to mind is the question, if the Arabs are capable of murdering their own women and children (like the still happenings in Syria) It will be horrible to even Imagine what they are capable of doing to None-Arabs.

Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.

Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:

The Jews in Germany did not have the right to bear arms. Would history have been different?
 
"...I am proud to be a Jew — not despite of the world's relation to us, but precisely because of it. Because being a Jew is an art. to be a Jew is to be a fighter, an eternal swimmer against the roiling, evil current of humanity. The Jew is a hero, a martyr, a saint. One cannot free oneself of being a Jew. That is God's mark upon us; Those who do not understand this will never grasp the higher meaning of our martyrdom..." (Zvi Kolitz)

Completely delusional.

:gives:

(been looking for the change to use THAT one:D)

What? You don't care that your hero is delusional? Or you don't care that people know that you worship the delusional? Or that you're delusional yourself for thinking that any god said anything to Jews.
 
Domestic violence is so prevalent in the US That we have special laws for it.

Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:

The Jews in Germany did not have the right to bear arms. Would history have been different?

Maybe, I'm not sure.

problem at the times was that the Jews were not united in struggling to survive. Each was on their own. That was the main issue, I believe.
 
"...I am proud to be a Jew — not despite of the world's relation to us, but precisely because of it. Because being a Jew is an art. to be a Jew is to be a fighter, an eternal swimmer against the roiling, evil current of humanity. The Jew is a hero, a martyr, a saint. One cannot free oneself of being a Jew. That is God's mark upon us; Those who do not understand this will never grasp the higher meaning of our martyrdom..." (Zvi Kolitz)

Completely delusional.

:gives:

(been looking for the change to use THAT one:D)

What? You don't care that your hero is delusional? Or you don't care that people know that you worship the delusional? Or that you're delusional yourself for thinking that any god said anything to Jews.

My "Hero"?

You are very wrong.

Tzi Kolitz is an author, who wrote a book called "Yosl Rekover speaks to God". The quote is from the book.

I felt the quote was right to the point, but from that to hero? lol.

There are only few people in the world which I consider as "heros", and they are surly not delusional, I can promise you.

I take it you're an atheist?
 
Well good for you.:doubt: You allow every nutjob to hold a gun, so obviously you'll need laws to control violence:doubt:

That's like building a hospital next to a broken bridge instead of fixing the bridge itself.

You Americans are weird, sometimes.:wtf:

Kinda like putting up a wall and checkpoints instead of solving the actual problem?:D

Checkpoints are no solution, I more then agree.

Terror should be dealt by other meanings.

Hope someone will come with an original idea

No justice, no peace. A voice of reason.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5IpMPx8yQ&feature=related]Palestinian Lawyer Diana Buttu (ABC Lateline) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Kinda like putting up a wall and checkpoints instead of solving the actual problem?:D

Checkpoints are no solution, I more then agree.

Terror should be dealt by other meanings.

Hope someone will come with an original idea

No justice, no peace. A voice of reason.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5IpMPx8yQ&feature=related]Palestinian Lawyer Diana Buttu (ABC Lateline) - YouTube[/ame]

Can you define "justice"

Because Israelis and Palestinians see justice differently.
 
:gives:

(been looking for the change to use THAT one:D)

What? You don't care that your hero is delusional? Or you don't care that people know that you worship the delusional? Or that you're delusional yourself for thinking that any god said anything to Jews.

My "Hero"?

You are very wrong.

Tzi Kolitz is an author, who wrote a book called "Yosl Rekover speaks to God". The quote is from the book.

I felt the quote was right to the point, but from that to hero? lol.

There are only few people in the world which I consider as "heros", and they are surly not delusional, I can promise you.

I take it you're an atheist?
I'm waiting for anyone to prove anything about the existence of god before I'll believe it.
 

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