Arab Muslims everywhere Campaigning against free speach

[Boston1]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

 

[Challenger]

Seems fair to me, after all it's what Zionists have been doing for years. (i.e.) University event questioning Israel's right to exist is cancelled

 

[Challenger]

Oh, I see, this is the BoSton1 response to this thread Israel Campaigns Against Global Free Speech

Moving on, next.

 

[Hollie]

Islamo-loons have your best interest in mind when it comes to free expression.

 

[Hollie]

To be fair, we should acknowledge that Arabs-Moslems occasionally do support free expression... when that freedom allows them the opportunity to spread the message of hate and revulsion delineated in their 1,400 year old hate and war manual.


Prayer for genocide of “enemies” of Allah, by PA TV preacher

Allah should "count" His enemies, the enemies of Islam, and "kill them to the last one," prayed the preacher on official PA TV on Friday. The PA TV preacher then singled out for punishment "the wicked Jews" and "the atheists who help them":

Official PA TV preacher: “Allah… kill them to the last one... punish the wicked Jews"

 

[Phoenall]

Seems fair to me, after all it's what Zionists have been doing for years. (i.e.) University event questioning Israel's right to exist is cancelled

As you should know what was cancelled was a front for anti Semitism and racism and not free speech. Who was invited to give the opposite views that under International law Israel owns the whole of the land and it is the arab muslims that are there illegally.

 

[Boston1]

Seems fair to me, after all it's what Zionists have been doing for years. (i.e.) University event questioning Israel's right to exist is cancelled

As you should know what was cancelled was a front for anti Semitism and racism and not free speech. Who was invited to give the opposite views that under International law Israel owns the whole of the land and it is the arab muslims that are there illegally.

Challenged has trouble with facts, so lets not try and confuse him.

The issue isn't that we all must be allowed free speech, its deeper than that. The issue is more of what constitutes free speech.

Is ti free speech to yell fire in a theater ?

Incitement to rioting and murder, like what the fakestinians do, is not covered under free speech.

Although lying, another favorite of the Fakestinians, appears to be perfectly legal, just ask any US politician.

 

[fanger]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Israel Campaigns Against Global Free Speech

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, Challenger, et al,

Yes, this argument (Israel's right to exist) has been played out number of time.

Seems fair to me, after all it's what Zionists have been doing for years. (i.e.) University event questioning Israel's right to exist is cancelled

As you should know what was cancelled was a front for anti Semitism and racism and not free speech. Who was invited to give the opposite views that under International law Israel owns the whole of the land and it is the arab muslims that are there illegally.

(REALITY)

Yes, let's do a reality check...

• Q1: Which international body recommended and adopted the partition and the establishment of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City State of Jerusalem?

•∆• These would be the recommendation made by the UN Special Committee on Palestine; with the adoption made by the UN General Assembly.
​

• Q2: Was any part of this recommendation accepted?

•∆• Yes, the Jewish agency and the Provision Government of Israel accepted the offer.
​

• Q3 Was there any external interference?

•∆• Yes, the Arab Higher Committee, established by the Arab League, first objected to the offer, rejected the recommendation, and then refused to respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of Jewish/Israelis (Chapter I, Article 1(2), UN Charter). The UN Palestine Commission reported that Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, were defying the Resolution [GA/RES/181 (II)] of the General Assembly and engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
​

• Q4: Is there any aspect of the Palestinian Community that recognizes the legitimacy of the Resolution [GA/RES/181 (II)]?

•∆• Yes the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) declared independence of the State of Palestine in 1988.
•∆• The PLO is accepted by the UN and by the Arab League as the sole representative of the Palestinian people.
•∆• In a LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT (1993) TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN, the PLO stated that it recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
•∆• In a LETTER FROM PRIME MINISTER RABIN (1993) TO YASSER ARAFAT, the Government of Israel has decided to recognize the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and commence negotiations with the PLO within the Middle East peace process.
​

There is a reality. Israel does exist. The same cannot be said of Palestine.

As far as "Free Speech" is concerned, as long as the speech does not inflame tension and create a climate of civil disorder through incitement --- then it is a no brainer. But a University does not have to oblige either side by accommodating their rhetoric.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Seems fair to me, after all it's what Zionists have been doing for years. (i.e.) University event questioning Israel's right to exist is cancelled

Let's take a look at your link, shall we?

It includes:
"The conference, due to take place next month, described itself as “unique because it concerns the legitimacy in international law of the Jewish state of Israel”, but critics denounced it as one-sided.

Among those who condemned the conference were the Jewish Board of Deputies, and MPs including Eric Pickles, the communities secretary, and Caroline Noakes, MP for Romsey and Southampton."

The agenda of those promoting the conference is quite clear. Representatives from the Jewish community voiced their objection with an expression of free speech.

It seems your primary objection is that free speech is not exclusive to those who share your biases and denied to those who your personal agenda prefers to deride.

What I noticed coming from the Jewish response was the lack of thinly burqa'ed threats that we see from the Islamic fascists such as "we can't be held responsible for what will happen if our tender islamo-sensibilities are offended".

 

[montelatici]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

 

[Hollie]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

It was actually a legal process that established the Jewish homeland.

Debating with fanatics implies that you need to debate with the fine folks at your madrassah. It is your heroes in the Hamas affiliated franchise of Islamic Terrorism Intl. Inc., who, in their Charter use the term wagf (an endowment from God) for the perpetual ownership of the disputed territories.

 

[Phoenall]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Israel Campaigns Against Global Free Speech

Deflection again because you are losing the argument.


Free speech does not include LYING, PROPAGANDA or BLOOD LIBELS. But it does include telling the truth backed up with verifiable evidence. This include pictures and videos of hamas terrorists setting up rocket launchers in civilian areas of gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

You do realise that you are showing your immaturity and inability to debate or discus any topic when you invoke the hasbara law. This is similar to godswins law in that it sends any debate to a subject of the debates topic by foul means.

Making you a 3 times loser

 

[Boston1]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

The Arab Muslim hasbara is endless.

Freedom of speech is being suppressed across the Arab world in regards to Israel and a number of other topics.

For instance

from
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwi7iL3p2KrMAhUN0WMKHdTXCacQFggkMAE&url=http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/09/free_speech_vs_hate_speech_why_is_it_legal_to_insult_muslims_but_not_jews_.html&usg=AFQjCNE44PBYZOhPEfLMghaxGQ7ZQ9RyBw&sig2=jzzS_vtS5Rw_ZtrZqghEcg&bvm=bv.120551593,d.amc

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If we’re going to preach freedom of expression around the world, we have to practice it. We have to scrap our hate-speech laws.

Muslim leaders want us to extend these laws. At this week’s meeting of the U.N. General Assembly, they lobbied for tighter censorship. Egypt’s president said freedom of expression shouldn’t include speech that is “used to incite hatred” or “directed towards one specific religion.” Pakistan’s president urged the “international community” to “criminalize” acts that “endanger world security by misusing freedom of expression.” Yemen’s president called for “international legislation” to suppress speech that “blasphemes the beliefs of nations and defames their figures.” The Arab League’s secretary-general proposed a binding “international legal framework” to “criminalize psychological and spiritual harm” caused by expressions that “insult the beliefs, culture and civilization of others."

President Obama, while condemning the video, met these proposals with a stout defense of free speech. Switzerland’s president agreed: “Freedom of opinion and of expression are core values guaranteed universally which must be protected.” And when a French magazine published cartoons poking fun at Mohammed, the country’s prime minister insisted that French laws protecting free speech extend to caricatures.

This debate between East and West, between respect and pluralism, isn’t a crisis. It’s a stage of global progress. The Arab spring has freed hundreds of millions of Muslims from the political retardation of dictatorship. They’re taking responsibility for governing themselves and their relations with other countries. They’re debating one another and challenging us. And they should, because we’re hypocrites.

From Pakistan to Iran to Saudi Arabia to Egypt to Nigeria to the United Kingdom, Muslims scoff at our rhetoric about free speech. They point to European laws against questioning the Holocaust. Monday on CNN, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad needled British interviewer Piers Morgan: “Why in Europe has it been forbidden for anyone to conduct any research about this event? Why are researchers in prison? … Do you believe in the freedom of thought and ideas, or no?” On Tuesday, Pakistan’s U.N. ambassador, speaking for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, told the U.N. Human Rights Council:

We are all aware of the fact that laws exist in Europe and other countries which impose curbs, for instance, on anti-Semitic speech, Holocaust denial, or racial slurs. We need to acknowledge, once and for all, that Islamophobia in particular and discrimination on the basis of religion and belief are contemporary forms of racism and must be dealt with as such. Not to do so would be a clear example of double standards. Islamophobia has to be treated in law and practice equal to the treatment given to anti-Semitism.

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[Roudy]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

Bzzz. wrong. The evidence for the land belonging to Jews lies in the hundreds of thousands of artifacts and archeological sites that prove without a doubt the land is ancient Jewish land. On the other hand, there is no evidence that proves there is this fictional Palestinian state or country, ever.

 

[montelatici]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

Quote

As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

Bzzz. wrong. The evidence for the land belonging to Jews lies in the hundreds of thousands of artifacts and archeological sites that prove without a doubt the land is ancient Jewish land. On the other hand, there is no evidence that proves there is this fictional Palestinian state or country, ever.

The ancestors of the native people of Palestine that now practice Islam and Judaism once practiced Roman religions, Judaism, the Samaritan religion and other religions. they are the same people that have always been there. The Zionists came from Europe.

 

[Roudy]

Arab Muslim groups have made every effort to suppress the truth. Refusing to debate openly those who wish to confront the the Arab Muslim half truths and lies.

See

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ByOlS__vqjPxsr3mwZ5vUQ&bvm=bv.119745492,d.amc

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As the ideological assault against Israel and Jews intensified on university campuses, and pro-Israel individuals began answering back to their ideological opponents, the student groups leading the pro-Palestinian charge (including such groups as the radical Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)) decided that their tactic of unrelenting demonization of Israel was insufficient, and the best way to optimize the propaganda effect of their anti-Israel message was also to suppress or obscure opposing views.

The pronouncements of these groups are now frequently defined by the baleful whining of these ideological bullies intent on having only their views aired while suppressing the contradictory views of others. In fact, a leaked memorandum from the Binghamton University Students for Justice in Palestine chapter revealed that members would be required to never even engage in dialogue with pro-Israel groups on their campus, they would be prohibited from “engaging in any form of official collaboration, cooperation, or event co-sponsorship with [pro-Israel] student organizations and groups,” and SJP members “shall in no manner engage in any form of official collaboration with any student group which actively opposes the cause of Palestinian liberation nor with groups which have aided and abetted Zionist student organizations,” meaning, of course, that the so-called intellectual debate that universities purport to promote in exactly this type of discussion will never take place when SJP is involved.

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Its simple, the Fakestinians are fine as long as they're crying foul, but ask them to justify their claims and they refuse to even remotely speak to those asking for some honesty.

Posting links to yet another Hasbara site. How can anyone, except Zionist fanatics, take the piece seriously?

Would accept the conclusions or any assertions in a piece from Electronic Intifada?

In any case any debate with Zionists ends up with the absurd claim that God gave the land to the Jews. In a book of fiction written for and by Jews. Why debate with fanatics?

Bzzz. wrong. The evidence for the land belonging to Jews lies in the hundreds of thousands of artifacts and archeological sites that prove without a doubt the land is ancient Jewish land. On the other hand, there is no evidence that proves there is this fictional Palestinian state or country, ever.

The ancestors of the native people of Palestine that now practice Islam and Judaism once practiced Roman religions, Judaism, the Samaritan religion and other religions. they are the same people that have always been there. The Zionists came from Europe.

Bzzzz wrong. IslamoNazi talking points. This "no Jews ever lived in 'Fakestine'" lie is getting quite old.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.

Middle Ages (636–1517)

After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.

In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.

Old Yishuv

Jewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]


Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

 

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[Roudy]

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Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.