Approval of eugenics in China, and in the future for the US...

[syrenn]

Plasmaballs said it, not me. For those who "like" the idea of eugenics, here is some interesting info:

"Perhaps the clearest example of the power of the eugenics movement today is in China, with its one-child-only family policy. This policy is an assault on prenatal life and on women's privacy, both. The program was described and praised in 16 articles in a remarkable issue of IPPF's quarterly journal, People, in 1989, on the eve of the massacre in Tiananmen Square. But this anti-life, anti-choice policy is not unique to China; most of the nations of Asia have some coercive elements in their population policies.

"The coercive Chinese policy has a great deal of acceptance and support in the United States, including from feminist leaders like Eleanor Smeal and Molly Yard. When the Reagan administration cut off funds for the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) because of its support for the Chinese population program, two American organizations sued to restore funds: Rockefeller's Population Council and the Population Institute in Washington. A 1978 survey of members of the Population Association of America found that 34 percent of members agreed that "coercive birth control programs should be initiated in at least some countries immediately."​

Eugenics, Population Control, Racism, Birth Control​

Their one child per family in china works policy for me.

The down side is they all come here and breed like roaches.

That was a pretty fucking stupid thing to say.

Ah, but the truth is truth stupid or not and regardless if you like it or not.

 

[koshergrl]

Except it doesn't work. All it has done is make infanticide common, increase the incidence of human rights violations, and unbalance the ratio of males to females in China. The application of eugenics is always brutal, always disgusting, and NEVER WORKS. Unless your goal is to brutalize women and children.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Except it doesn't work. All it has done is make infanticide common, increase the incidence of human rights violations, and unbalance the ratio of males to females in China. The application of eugenics is always brutal, always disgusting, and NEVER WORKS. Unless your goal is to brutalize women and children.

Provide a link to show where eugenics is CURRENTLY being used in the US.

Abortions don't count, because that is voluntary.

 

[koshergrl]

Reference the OP you moron, you just quoted it.

Do you know what eugenics are? Perhaps you should trot off to the library. The internet seems to not be sufficient to your needs...

 

[koshergrl]

POSITIVE EUGENICS = birth control, fertility treatments, genetic counseling

NEGATIVE EUGENICS = abortion, particularly when used to dispose of "faulty" babies, sterilization (voluntary or forced).

Are you saying we don't have abortion, genetics counseling, fertility treatments in this country?

 

[ABikerSailor]

I don't know what YOUR definition of it is Kosher Twat, but I do know what the dictionary says.......

eu·gen·ics
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noun ( used with a singular verb )
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Eugenics | Define Eugenics at Dictionary.com

So.........how is the population being "improved" again? Oh wait.......it's not, and therefore, abortion isn't eugenics.

But then again.......you wingnuts also tried to call Obama "fascist" as well.

 

[syrenn]

POSITIVE EUGENICS = birth control, fertility treatments, genetic counseling

NEGATIVE EUGENICS = abortion, particularly when used to dispose of "faulty" babies, sterilization (voluntary or forced).

Are you saying we don't have abortion, genetics counseling, fertility treatments in this country?

And there you have the best evidence that EUGENICS is NOT happening.

 

[JakeStarkey]

POSITIVE EUGENICS = birth control, fertility treatments, genetic counseling

NEGATIVE EUGENICS = abortion, particularly when used to dispose of "faulty" babies, sterilization (voluntary or forced).

Are you saying we don't have abortion, genetics counseling, fertility treatments in this country?

Interesting definitions. Do you have a link for them, and if so, please give it.

 

[koshergrl]

eu·gen·ics

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noun ( used with a singular verb

) the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Positive eugenics | Define Positive eugenics at Dictionary.com

I guess birth control is negative eugenics, my bad. So we practice both. Positive eugenics with fertility treatments, negative with abortion and birth control.

 

[koshergrl]

Look, it's such common knowledge even wiki has it...

"
Historically, eugenics is often broken into the categories of positive (encouraging reproduction in the designated "fit") and negative (discouraging reproduction in the designated "unfit"). Many positive eugenic programs were advocated and pursued during the early 20th century, but the negative programs were responsible for the compulsory sterilization of hundreds of thousands of persons in many countries, and were contained in much of the rhetoric of Nazi eugenic policies of racial hygiene and genocide.[6]
Liberal eugenics is conceived to be mostly "positive", relying more on reprogenetics than on selective breeding charts to achieve its aims. It seeks to both minimize congenital disorders and enhance capacity, traditional eugenic goals. It is intended to be under the control of the parents exercising their procreative liberty while guided by the principle of procreative beneficence, though the substantial governmental and corporate infrastructure required for reprogenetics may limit or steer their actual choices.[3]"

Liberal eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

La la la

"
Eugenicist Frederick Osborn laid the intellectual groundwork for liberal eugenics as early as the 1930s when he was the director of the Carnegie Institution for Science. Osborn argued that the public would never accept eugenics under militarized directives; rather, time must be allowed for "eugenic consciousness" to develop in the population. Accordingly, eugenic consciousness did not have to be aggressively and intentionally micro-manufactured; instead, it would develop as an emergent property as capitalist economy increased in complexity.[7]
Osborn argued that all that was needed was to simply wait until a specific set of social structures (a consumer economy and the nuclear family) developed to a point of dominance within capitalist culture. Once these structures matured, people would act eugenically without a second thought. Eugenic activity, instead of being an immediately identifiable, repugnant activity, would become one of the invisible taken-for-granted activities of everyday life (much like getting a vaccination).[7]
Bioethicist Joseph Fletcher greatly contributed to liberal eugenic thought in 1974 when he described an alternative to "reproductive roulette". A key goal of liberal eugenics would thus be to reduce the role of chance in reproduction.[8] His visions soon became a reality when effective human in vitro fertilisation became possible in 1978. Modern interest in liberal eugenics is believed to have increased ever since. Currently, genetic testing such as preimplantation genetic diagnosis, have been developed to allow for embryos carrying congenital disorders to be discarded."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh.

 

[Unkotare]

Their one child per family in china works policy for me.

The down side is they all come here and breed like roaches.

That was a pretty fucking stupid thing to say.

Ah, but the truth is truth stupid or not and regardless if you like it or not.

Nothing about your bigoted and inhumane post had anything to do with "the truth."

 

[koshergrl]

Sigh.

Tsk, tsk...it's your fave source, wiki. So you know it's gotta be gospel.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sigh, you continue lying. You use wiki because that is where the bad far right and the bad far left apologists go to rewrite the American narrative according to their sickness.

You are an extremist, and you will never be allowed to threaten mothers' lives.

 

[koshergrl]

Lol...everybody but you is an extremist.

How funny.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are not mainstream, kosherallie. This will help.

Women for Santorum | Slog

 

[koshergrl]

Random inanities do not make you appear clever, sparky.

 

[del]

Random inanities do not make you appear clever, sparky.

 

[koshergrl]

If I were to be randomly inane, I would be so good at it that nobody would notice.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Random inanities do not make you appear clever, sparky.

I am not clever but indeed I am right about you.