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Yeah not really a point in apologizing to dead americans and Iraqis, doesn't do them much good.
I'm glad money is taken out of my paycheck every 2 weeks to pay for unconstitutional wars that result in my american brothers and sisters dead. I wish I had a better job so I could donate more to that great, moral cause.
remember 9/11 maybe go back to school, maybe in libya
I remember 9/11 vividly. I also remember that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. I dont believe Libya did either.
We attacked Iraq as we had reason to believe it was a threat.
Diverting the War on Terrorism to attack Iraq?
4000 American dead, 10s of thousands wounded
Two trillion dollars and counting
No WMDs
One of the biggest strategic blunders in US History
We attacked Iraq as we had reason to believe it was a threat.
Intelligence was cooked to create a "threat". War is good business and Shrub was looking for an "in" long before 9-11. And, boy has it been a cash cow. Mission accomplished... The whole admin. should be serving time for war crimes and fraud.
the view is the link if you want to hear, i wouldn't bother.
saddam was a monster that wanted to conquer the world.
i'm glad he's dead, we woe the war. the weapons of m d matter not to me. he had plenty of weapons of mass destruction. the policy is payback for the democrat lie telling presidential wind up doll called clinton. apologise? you should be thanking us. nice try.
Well your wrong on all counts. But you are welcome to defend a war crime.
If war is "good for business" how come we are going broke after invading Iraq and Afghanistan? shoudn't we swimming from the profits of these wars?
We attacked Iraq as we had reason to believe it was a threat.
Intelligence was cooked to create a "threat". War is good business and Shrub was looking for an "in" long before 9-11. And, boy has it been a cash cow. Mission accomplished... The whole admin. should be serving time for war crimes and fraud.
Yeah not really a point in apologizing to dead americans and Iraqis, doesn't do them much good.
I'm glad money is taken out of my paycheck every 2 weeks to pay for unconstitutional wars that result in my american brothers and sisters dead. I wish I had a better job so I could donate more to that great, moral cause.
remember 9/11 maybe go back to school, maybe in libya
I didn't call you a liberal. I said your stupid reference to an apology to the military (who support the war) and the Iraqis (who benefited from it) was a lame political ploy that caters to the left. The Left benefits from what you said. The truth doesn't. Did you actually read the rest of it? I think I made pretty clear what I'm talking about. And I said nothing about the spending trillions other then...helllo....I'm against the wars. But you didn't reference money the first time, you introduced it now as if I was supposed to have addressed the money for the war I'm against. I addressed what you said, apology to the troops and Iraqis. Silly me.Hussein was a monster and I have no sympathy for him, he got what he deserved. The Iraq people are certainly a lot better off. The Military hugely supports the war, so apologizing to them is a lame political ploy, that's all. So while I agree with Dr. Drock in his opposition to the war, I don't agree with his reasoning and his statements just cater to the Left's revisionist position on the war and their 50/50 culpability with the Republicans in getting into it.
What I do want to ask is why we are there in the first place. Until Nixon in 1969, the Democrats drove US involvement on foreign soil and in foreign wars. The Republicans mostly opposed it. Then the roles largely switched and Republicans drove it all the time and Democrats opposed foreign wars when they weren't in the White House. Why did Republicans abandon that? The fact is that if we weren't all over the middle east, then these wars wouldn't be brought to our house. And we have no business going there.
Again, unlike Dr. Drock and the liberals I'm not saying that in an anti-American way, an anti- military way. We're certainly trying to do the right thing over there and there are endless bad guys to fight I feel nothing for when they die. But still, I ask, why is it our problem at all? Why don't we bring ALL the troops home, not just the fighting units. And let them murder each other. And then if they attack us, I'm all for all out retaliation.
I think you need to read up on what the words liberal and conservative actually mean.
There's nothing conservative about spending trillions of US taxpayer dollars in order to enforce UN restrictions and save people from a meanyhead dictator, everything about the Iraq War is liberal.
I have never, and will never, vote for a democrat. The Democrats in Congress, the majority of them cheered on the war. You need to think about revising all those assumption boxes you have in your head that you try and fit everyone into.
Name something I've said that's anti-american.
I went back and re-read, and I misunderstood that part, I thought you'd agreed with it. But you didn't, my apology on that one.I agreed with the OP that an apology was stupid, I have no idea what words you're creating in your head about me saying we should apologize.
I think all the politicians who pushed the lie and the bill on americans should have a portion of their trust funds given to the children, widows, and injured vets of the war. Apologizing to dead people is stupid (I repeat) but if I were a politician I'd be on me knees begging and pleading for forgiveness to all the people who's lives my decision ruined.
OK, fair enough.If you feel that made the Iraqi civilians lives better, that's fine, I won't debate whether that's true or not
Agreed, 100%. The problem with the Middle East and Republicans is they don't follow their own ideology. If we let oil prices go with the market and let private companies secure what they can internationally and drill freely in the US, then we'd have a sustainable system. By using the military as we do, we manipulate oil prices, foster dependency as pump prices are artificially low, pay more taxes as the cost of securing oil supplies (military, fighting terrorism, ...) is incorporated in the Federal budget. But since prices are too low at the pump, people pump more and conserve less exacerbating the problem that the market prices Republicans claim to support are not free to drive usage. See a supply and demand curve in any econ 101 course on what happens when prices are held lower then a sustainable supply can provide.But either way that's not the responsibility of the US government or mine as a taxpayer.
the view is the link if you want to hear, i wouldn't bother.
saddam was a monster that wanted to conquer the world.
i'm glad he's dead, we woe the war. the weapons of m d matter not to me. he had plenty of weapons of mass destruction. the policy is payback for the democrat lie telling presidential wind up doll called clinton. apologise? you should be thanking us. nice try.
Well your wrong on all counts. But you are welcome to defend a war crime.
thanks. and if it were, i would, but it's not so i won't. no crime, no time, only dim and unrealistic ideas about the way the world's monsters work. go ahead and defend saddam if you like, it's a free country.
Yeah not really a point in apologizing to dead americans and Iraqis, doesn't do them much good.
I'm glad money is taken out of my paycheck every 2 weeks to pay for unconstitutional wars that result in my american brothers and sisters dead. I wish I had a better job so I could donate more to that great, moral cause.
remember 9/11 maybe go back to school, maybe in libya
I was in school for a long time, maybe your government classes taught you the Constitution says it's ok to use US taxpayer dollars in order to enforce UN sanctions and save foreignors from a dictator.
I mean it's not like we have any budget issues, or economic issues or tax issues here to worry about, let's just spend trillions on foreign adventures, we gotta test our military equipment one way or another.
How come those of you Iraq War supporters aren't demanding war with every brutal dictator? If you truly hated Saddam, why don't you bash the Reagan administration or supporting him? Choose a side and stick to it kids.
the view is the link if you want to hear, i wouldn't bother.
saddam was a monster that wanted to conquer the world.
i'm glad he's dead, we woe the war. the weapons of m d matter not to me. he had plenty of weapons of mass destruction. the policy is payback for the democrat lie telling presidential wind up doll called clinton. apologise? you should be thanking us. nice try.
Well your wrong on all counts. But you are welcome to defend a war crime.
pray tell, what war crime is that, exactly?
remember 9/11 maybe go back to school, maybe in libya
I was in school for a long time, maybe your government classes taught you the Constitution says it's ok to use US taxpayer dollars in order to enforce UN sanctions and save foreignors from a dictator.
I mean it's not like we have any budget issues, or economic issues or tax issues here to worry about, let's just spend trillions on foreign adventures, we gotta test our military equipment one way or another.
How come those of you Iraq War supporters aren't demanding war with every brutal dictator? If you truly hated Saddam, why don't you bash the Reagan administration or supporting him? Choose a side and stick to it kids.
This is a democracy. Sometimes one side wins and sometimes the other side wins. Republicans are really good at calling Democrats "unpatriotic". Even though Republicans are the home to the confederate states. Only 6% of scientists are Republican. They aren't really into eduction. Just reading blogs on this board and you know Republicans have no respect for anyone other than extremist conservatives.
Point out that the Republican administration, working with Iraq, helped put in place an Iraqi constitution that makes "Islam" the "National Religion" and states in Article 2 that all legislation is to be based on Islam, Republicans will call that a lie. It's something they can look up on the internet and actually read word by word, but they don't.
Many Republicans now think Iraq is "free" and "better". When you point out that Iraqi women used to dress in western style clothes under Saddam and now they are enslaved and live in "burkes", right wingers refuse to believe it. They call that a "liberal lie".
So explaining to Republicans the disaster America, under Bush, created, if they don't believe it, then it's a "lie". That's their "world view". The few Republicans that admit Iraq is a disaster, blame it on the Iraqi people as being "unappreciative".
the view is the link if you want to hear, i wouldn't bother.
saddam was a monster that wanted to conquer the world.
i'm glad he's dead, we woe the war. the weapons of m d matter not to me. he had plenty of weapons of mass destruction. the policy is payback for the democrat lie telling presidential wind up doll called clinton. apologise? you should be thanking us. nice try.
I was in school for a long time, maybe your government classes taught you the Constitution says it's ok to use US taxpayer dollars in order to enforce UN sanctions and save foreignors from a dictator.
I mean it's not like we have any budget issues, or economic issues or tax issues here to worry about, let's just spend trillions on foreign adventures, we gotta test our military equipment one way or another.
How come those of you Iraq War supporters aren't demanding war with every brutal dictator? If you truly hated Saddam, why don't you bash the Reagan administration or supporting him? Choose a side and stick to it kids.
This is a democracy. Sometimes one side wins and sometimes the other side wins. Republicans are really good at calling Democrats "unpatriotic". Even though Republicans are the home to the confederate states. Only 6% of scientists are Republican. They aren't really into eduction. Just reading blogs on this board and you know Republicans have no respect for anyone other than extremist conservatives.
Point out that the Republican administration, working with Iraq, helped put in place an Iraqi constitution that makes "Islam" the "National Religion" and states in Article 2 that all legislation is to be based on Islam, Republicans will call that a lie. It's something they can look up on the internet and actually read word by word, but they don't.
Many Republicans now think Iraq is "free" and "better". When you point out that Iraqi women used to dress in western style clothes under Saddam and now they are enslaved and live in "burkes", right wingers refuse to believe it. They call that a "liberal lie".
So explaining to Republicans the disaster America, under Bush, created, if they don't believe it, then it's a "lie". That's their "world view". The few Republicans that admit Iraq is a disaster, blame it on the Iraqi people as being "unappreciative".
Good post.
