AP: "And Obama made sure to commend himself"

[mal]

Biden's a fucking idiot who has no business whatsoever trying to claim he's a "good catholic".

Beginning and End...



peace...

 

[Ame®icano]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

Governing hasn't worked so well for him; he's returning to what he does best, campaigning. Just remember, he has 3/4 of the stimulus bucks to spread around while campaigning this time.

If is going so well, and there is 2/3 of stimulus remaining, why they added $75 billion to the stimulus? Uhm, let me guess, phase 3...

 

[Ame®icano]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

It's funny how we've been listening to this administration, president and VP running around for the last 8 months or so throwing out numbers that nowhere near match what one or the other is saying regarding the number of jobs actiually created, and yesterday we had Biden come out in an interview and claim that this is "phase two" of the stimulus package and that NOW the jobs will start to be created.

Well, wait a minute ol' Joe. You clowns stated that the stimulus would IMMEDIATELY provide jobs and keep unemployment under 8%. You fools never mentioned PHASES. You idiots have been running around claiming all these jobs have been created, and none of you are even anywhere near the same ball park as far as numbers go. Not to mention the fact that you clowns are trying to claim that employees who happened to have received raises are counted as "jobs saved". YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING ASSHATS!

And, did Obama really need to have Bidens goofy ass standing next to him with that dufus grin and DIRT ON HIS GOD DAMN FOREHEAD?
I mean seriously, I know it's ash wednesday and all, but Biden permanently looks like a friggin dufus as it is, putting him up there with ashes on his head was just plain comical.

Christ, HOW DID THESE FUCKING CLOWNS GET ELECTED?

You're a very mean-spirited person. And that comment is very ignorant. I am Catholic and yesterday was ash Wednesday. You shouldn't make fun of anybody's religion.

And everything you wrote about Obama and the stimulus is not supported by a link. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Would bother you if he's running around with a Bible in his hands?

He's government official, why would anyone care if he's catholic? He should've keep his religion for himself.

At the other hand, Obama believe in socialism, and yet you don't see him with a hammer and sickle on his forehead. At least not publically.

 

[Ame®icano]

Imagine, a POTUS stating the accomplishments of his administration.
President Obama makes history.

Imagine a POTUS that doesn't try to take credit for others and doesn't blame everyone around him for the stupid shit he does.

Been a while since I've seen that.

Taking Credit for Success in Iraq is just beyond Delusional or a Testament to his Ability to Lie like no other.



peace...

Of course, his administration is soooo transparent that we all can see thru it.

 

[Ame®icano]

Lets get something straight..

Only FoxNews is allowed to comment on the Presidents performance. The idea that Obama would actually provide his own analysis is unnaceptable on this board

Per his own analysis, whoever is criticizing him believe in wrong Messiah.

 

[Ame®icano]

Lets get something straight..

Only FoxNews is allowed to comment on the Presidents performance. The idea that Obama would actually provide his own analysis is unnaceptable on this board

Iguess you are right...Only Foxnews seeing as no other news is doing it.

So tell me...how about you.....got a question...

Have you the desire to ask Obama what he means when he says (not in these words)....

"the stimulus averted another great depression" at the same time as saying "despite the stimulus, we are in a deeper depression than I had predicted we would be in"

You know, whether you like it or not...that is exactly what he is telling us with his graphs and charts and numbers and predicitons.

Or did you not notice that?

I don't believe they are contradictory

The stimulus along with TARP and the Auto bailouts sent a message to the financial markets that the US Government would stand behind the banks and auto industry to prevent a collapse. This stopped a financial panic that was wrecking the markets in late 2008 and early 2009. Both Bush and Obama took similar actions to keep us out of depression

When Obama passed the stimulus bill, he viewed it sufficient to stop the collapse and prevent the unemployment rate from exceeding 8%. As has been reported a thousand times on this board, the economy was much worse than Obama's advisors had expected and unemployment broke 10%. Stimulus did however, slow down the loss of jobs significantly (from 750,000 jobs per month to 30,000)

Excepth, stimulus suppose to create real jobs and keep unemployment under 8%, and not to slow down job loss. In his own words...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SPcR6QjaFQ]YouTube - Obama Warns of Consequences Without Stimulus[/ame]

 

[Zoom-boing]

From the link: "The United States has lost an astounding 8.4 million jobs since this recession began in December 2007."

Does anyone know how many of these jobs were from the private sector banking due to the government taking over student loans?

 

[Rinata]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

It's funny how we've been listening to this administration, president and VP running around for the last 8 months or so throwing out numbers that nowhere near match what one or the other is saying regarding the number of jobs actiually created, and yesterday we had Biden come out in an interview and claim that this is "phase two" of the stimulus package and that NOW the jobs will start to be created.

Well, wait a minute ol' Joe. You clowns stated that the stimulus would IMMEDIATELY provide jobs and keep unemployment under 8%. You fools never mentioned PHASES. You idiots have been running around claiming all these jobs have been created, and none of you are even anywhere near the same ball park as far as numbers go. Not to mention the fact that you clowns are trying to claim that employees who happened to have received raises are counted as "jobs saved". YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING ASSHATS!

And, did Obama really need to have Bidens goofy ass standing next to him with that dufus grin and DIRT ON HIS GOD DAMN FOREHEAD?
I mean seriously, I know it's ash wednesday and all, but Biden permanently looks like a friggin dufus as it is, putting him up there with ashes on his head was just plain comical.

Christ, HOW DID THESE FUCKING CLOWNS GET ELECTED?

You're a very mean-spirited person. And that comment is very ignorant. I am Catholic and yesterday was ash Wednesday. You shouldn't make fun of anybody's religion.

And everything you wrote about Obama and the stimulus is not supported by a link. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Would bother you if he's running around with a Bible in his hands?

He's government official, why would anyone care if he's catholic? He should've keep his religion for himself.

At the other hand, Obama believe in socialism, and yet you don't see him with a hammer and sickle on his forehead. At least not publically.

Just take your pills and go night night!!

 

[oreo]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

It's funny how we've been listening to this administration, president and VP running around for the last 8 months or so throwing out numbers that nowhere near match what one or the other is saying regarding the number of jobs actiually created, and yesterday we had Biden come out in an interview and claim that this is "phase two" of the stimulus package and that NOW the jobs will start to be created.

Well, wait a minute ol' Joe. You clowns stated that the stimulus would IMMEDIATELY provide jobs and keep unemployment under 8%. You fools never mentioned PHASES. You idiots have been running around claiming all these jobs have been created, and none of you are even anywhere near the same ball park as far as numbers go. Not to mention the fact that you clowns are trying to claim that employees who happened to have received raises are counted as "jobs saved". YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING ASSHATS!

And, did Obama really need to have Bidens goofy ass standing next to him with that dufus grin and DIRT ON HIS GOD DAMN FOREHEAD?

I mean seriously, I know it's ash wednesday and all, but Biden permanently looks like a friggin dufus as it is, putting him up there with ashes on his head was just plain comical.

Christ, HOW DID THESE FUCKING CLOWNS GET ELECTED?

And liberals continually criticize religion--& here's the VP they elected on national T.V with basically a huge ash spot on his forehead----

How can anyone take this administration "seriously"?--

 

[Ame®icano]

You're a very mean-spirited person. And that comment is very ignorant. I am Catholic and yesterday was ash Wednesday. You shouldn't make fun of anybody's religion.

And everything you wrote about Obama and the stimulus is not supported by a link. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Would bother you if he's running around with a Bible in his hands?

He's government official, why would anyone care if he's catholic? He should've keep his religion for himself.

At the other hand, Obama believe in socialism, and yet you don't see him with a hammer and sickle on his forehead. At least not publically.

Just take your pills and go night night!!

You shouldn't be talking to yourself with other people around...

 

[California Girl]

You're a very mean-spirited person. And that comment is very ignorant. I am Catholic and yesterday was ash Wednesday. You shouldn't make fun of anybody's religion.

And everything you wrote about Obama and the stimulus is not supported by a link. So you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Where's the utrage when your leftist buddies bash on the religious persons and particularly Christians in their posts on here??

As for your assumption that people on here are ignorant as to Obama's stimulus package, you are sadly mistaken and blinded by your Obama hornies

Look, I am a Christian and I went to Catholic school for 8 years. Let me tell you about some so-called Christians. Do you know how many times I have heard from them that I am not a Christian because we pray to the Blessed Virgin Mary and that's wrong?? We should only pray to God. And I was also told I was a pagan because I prayed in front of statues..

Definitions of pagan on the Web:

heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god
a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
hedonist: someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures
heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Charming, isn't it??

Also, what about all of the "Christian" Republicans that were so righteous in taking other people's inventory, but never their own. They criticized adulters and gays constantly. And constantly talking about being a Chrisrian and the bible. I personally don't trust people that do that in conversation. Because they are usually no different than anyone else.

Then a bunch of Republicans got into trouble about the very things their perfect party spoke out against. Let's see, there was Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Mark Sanford, Mark Foley, John Ensign, Bob Barr, John Bolton, Scooter Libby. There are more, but I think you get the idea.

That is why Christians are criticized. Because SOME OF THEM (a lot of politicians) preach one thing and do another and self-righeous does not even begin to describe them. They are hypocrites and that is why people talk against them. They are very poor examples of being a Christian. People are sick of it.

But there is good news. A lot of Christians (real ones) have seen the light, thank God.

WHY MANY CHRISTIANS DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

neglect of major biblical moral themes

Jesus and the prophets spoke often and vigorously against economic exploitation of workers and of the poor. This should be part of being pro-life; but these are not priority issues in today’s “pro-life” Republican party. The Apostle Paul said greed is equal to idolatry, and the love of money is the root of all sorts of evils; but few Republicans campaign against greed or the promotion of profits above every other value. In fact they honor these moral errors. Peter warned against malice and slander; but Republican leaders do not confront and reject the support they receive from popular slanderers who promote their agenda.

the company they keep

This Administration (Bush) is not the Republican Party of old, and the Party’s primary spokesmen today are often not the kind of people Christians want to associate with. The most widely heard Republican party apologist, Rush Limbaugh, in effect worships himself, freely makes up “truth”, and maligns far better men and women; and he does all of this publicly, and daily. Ann Coulter is no better. Other party leaders are cut from similar cloth, though a little more fashionably. Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, Gingrich – all behave as if there is no value that can trump the pursuit of wealth and power.

Since these people are the party’s prominent leaders and voices, many Christians would feel deeply compromised to associate with or offer support to such a party. Jesus said, “I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” We do not find those things cultivated in us by Republican spokespersons.

homosexuality

This is one of the least-prominent issues in the Bible, but one of the most prominent among religious Republican activists. We must truly defend marriage in our own marriages. We must practice and promote healthy sexual attitudes and behavior in our churches. But surely those Christians are not evil who want our society to protect the economic and civil rights of fellow citizens – those not willing or able to live by our spiritual light. If we truly let him who is without sin cast the first stone, there would be far fewer stones cast in our land.

The very reasons for being a Republican Christian are also the reasons for worrying about the Republican party as it is currently functioning.

There is so much more and I wish I could post all of it. I highly recommend checking it out because it might change your perspective.

PublicChristian Why Many Christians Do Not Vote Republican

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[MIPS]

Where's the utrage when your leftist buddies bash on the religious persons and particularly Christians in their posts on here??

As for your assumption that people on here are ignorant as to Obama's stimulus package, you are sadly mistaken and blinded by your Obama hornies

Look, I am a Christian and I went to Catholic school for 8 years. Let me tell you about some so-called Christians. Do you know how many times I have heard from them that I am not a Christian because we pray to the Blessed Virgin Mary and that's wrong?? We should only pray to God. And I was also told I was a pagan because I prayed in front of statues..

Definitions of pagan on the Web:

heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god
a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
hedonist: someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures
heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Charming, isn't it??

Also, what about all of the "Christian" Republicans that were so righteous in taking other people's inventory, but never their own. They criticized adulters and gays constantly. And constantly talking about being a Chrisrian and the bible. I personally don't trust people that do that in conversation. Because they are usually no different than anyone else.

Then a bunch of Republicans got into trouble about the very things their perfect party spoke out against. Let's see, there was Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Mark Sanford, Mark Foley, John Ensign, Bob Barr, John Bolton, Scooter Libby. There are more, but I think you get the idea.

That is why Christians are criticized. Because SOME OF THEM (a lot of politicians) preach one thing and do another and self-righeous does not even begin to describe them. They are hypocrites and that is why people talk against them. They are very poor examples of being a Christian. People are sick of it.

But there is good news. A lot of Christians (real ones) have seen the light, thank God.

WHY MANY CHRISTIANS DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

neglect of major biblical moral themes

Jesus and the prophets spoke often and vigorously against economic exploitation of workers and of the poor. This should be part of being pro-life; but these are not priority issues in today’s “pro-life” Republican party. The Apostle Paul said greed is equal to idolatry, and the love of money is the root of all sorts of evils; but few Republicans campaign against greed or the promotion of profits above every other value. In fact they honor these moral errors. Peter warned against malice and slander; but Republican leaders do not confront and reject the support they receive from popular slanderers who promote their agenda.

the company they keep

This Administration (Bush) is not the Republican Party of old, and the Party’s primary spokesmen today are often not the kind of people Christians want to associate with. The most widely heard Republican party apologist, Rush Limbaugh, in effect worships himself, freely makes up “truth”, and maligns far better men and women; and he does all of this publicly, and daily. Ann Coulter is no better. Other party leaders are cut from similar cloth, though a little more fashionably. Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, Gingrich – all behave as if there is no value that can trump the pursuit of wealth and power.

Since these people are the party’s prominent leaders and voices, many Christians would feel deeply compromised to associate with or offer support to such a party. Jesus said, “I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” We do not find those things cultivated in us by Republican spokespersons.

homosexuality

This is one of the least-prominent issues in the Bible, but one of the most prominent among religious Republican activists. We must truly defend marriage in our own marriages. We must practice and promote healthy sexual attitudes and behavior in our churches. But surely those Christians are not evil who want our society to protect the economic and civil rights of fellow citizens – those not willing or able to live by our spiritual light. If we truly let him who is without sin cast the first stone, there would be far fewer stones cast in our land.

The very reasons for being a Republican Christian are also the reasons for worrying about the Republican party as it is currently functioning.

There is so much more and I wish I could post all of it. I highly recommend checking it out because it might change your perspective.

PublicChristian Why Many Christians Do Not Vote Republican

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Who is "WE" ? and don't we make allowances for those that don't see it the same way as "WE" do ? (from a morality perspective that is)

 

[mal]

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There are People who Intend on Changing the Established Faiths of MANY... the Catholic Church is just ONE Target of these People.

They Claim to be Catholic, Run as DemocRATS, and Intend on Passing Laws that would in Effect, Criminalize MANY of the things that Catholics and other Faiths believe in...

From Abortion to Homosexuality.

Hate Speech is just ONE of the Avenues they are Choosing.

They don't want to be Catholic, they want to Destroy what the Catholic Church is.

These are the WORST kinds of People.



peace...

 

[mudwhistle]

The Obama theme song should be "I me mine" by the Beatles.

His favorite phrase is...."I Want Me Some Me!!!"

 

[Ame®icano]

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There are People who Intend on Changing the Established Faiths of MANY... the Catholic Church is just ONE Target of these People.

They Claim to be Catholic, Run as DemocRATS, and Intend on Passing Laws that would in Effect, Criminalize MANY of the things that Catholics and other Faiths believe in...

From Abortion to Homosexuality.

Hate Speech is just ONE of the Avenues they are Choosing.

They don't want to be Catholic, they want to Destroy what the Catholic Church is.

These are the WORST kinds of People.



peace...

That's the same thing communists did in Europe in post WWII era. They saw church as the competition to their own red religion.

 

[KissMy]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

Governing hasn't worked so well for him; he's returning to what he does best, campaigning. Just remember, he has 3/4 of the stimulus bucks to spread around while campaigning this time.

When did Obama ever stop campaigning & start governing?

 

[mal]

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

There are People who Intend on Changing the Established Faiths of MANY... the Catholic Church is just ONE Target of these People.

They Claim to be Catholic, Run as DemocRATS, and Intend on Passing Laws that would in Effect, Criminalize MANY of the things that Catholics and other Faiths believe in...

From Abortion to Homosexuality.

Hate Speech is just ONE of the Avenues they are Choosing.

They don't want to be Catholic, they want to Destroy what the Catholic Church is.

These are the WORST kinds of People.



peace...

That's the same thing communists did in Europe in post WWII era. They saw church as the competition to their own red religion.

Hitler Abused Christianity to Forward Nazism also...

Many Tyrants do this...

There are Tyrants in this Republic as we Speak, chipping away slowly at our Religious Freedoms...

The VERY thing the Founders Watered the Tree of Liberty for... With their own Blood and the Blood of Tyrants.



peace...

 

[mal]

After watching that fiasco of a news conference, it became quite clear that Obama is floundering and the desperation is setting in.

Governing hasn't worked so well for him; he's returning to what he does best, campaigning. Just remember, he has 3/4 of the stimulus bucks to spread around while campaigning this time.

When did Obama ever stop campaigning & start governing?

Never...

I have been getting Updates and Agenda Pushing from his Campaign almost Daily since he was Elected.

I joined back in 2008 so that I could Document what I KNEW he was going to do as a "Community Organizer" and a Chicago Thug Politician.

I was also a Member of (43)'s Campaign for 9 Years and (2) Elections.

I did NOT get this kind of Propagandizing or Campaigning from him outside of Election Cycles.

All Obama Knows how to do is Campaign.



peace...

 

[Rinata]

Would bother you if he's running around with a Bible in his hands?

He's government official, why would anyone care if he's catholic? He should've keep his religion for himself.

At the other hand, Obama believe in socialism, and yet you don't see him with a hammer and sickle on his forehead. At least not publically.

Just take your pills and go night night!!

You shouldn't be talking to yourself with other people around...

Gee, I wish I could be as witty as you are.

 

[California Girl]

Look, I am a Christian and I went to Catholic school for 8 years. Let me tell you about some so-called Christians. Do you know how many times I have heard from them that I am not a Christian because we pray to the Blessed Virgin Mary and that's wrong?? We should only pray to God. And I was also told I was a pagan because I prayed in front of statues..

Definitions of pagan on the Web:

heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god
a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
hedonist: someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures
heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Charming, isn't it??

Also, what about all of the "Christian" Republicans that were so righteous in taking other people's inventory, but never their own. They criticized adulters and gays constantly. And constantly talking about being a Chrisrian and the bible. I personally don't trust people that do that in conversation. Because they are usually no different than anyone else.

Then a bunch of Republicans got into trouble about the very things their perfect party spoke out against. Let's see, there was Newt Gingrich, David Vitter, Mark Sanford, Mark Foley, John Ensign, Bob Barr, John Bolton, Scooter Libby. There are more, but I think you get the idea.

That is why Christians are criticized. Because SOME OF THEM (a lot of politicians) preach one thing and do another and self-righeous does not even begin to describe them. They are hypocrites and that is why people talk against them. They are very poor examples of being a Christian. People are sick of it.

But there is good news. A lot of Christians (real ones) have seen the light, thank God.

WHY MANY CHRISTIANS DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

neglect of major biblical moral themes

Jesus and the prophets spoke often and vigorously against economic exploitation of workers and of the poor. This should be part of being pro-life; but these are not priority issues in today’s “pro-life” Republican party. The Apostle Paul said greed is equal to idolatry, and the love of money is the root of all sorts of evils; but few Republicans campaign against greed or the promotion of profits above every other value. In fact they honor these moral errors. Peter warned against malice and slander; but Republican leaders do not confront and reject the support they receive from popular slanderers who promote their agenda.

the company they keep

This Administration (Bush) is not the Republican Party of old, and the Party’s primary spokesmen today are often not the kind of people Christians want to associate with. The most widely heard Republican party apologist, Rush Limbaugh, in effect worships himself, freely makes up “truth”, and maligns far better men and women; and he does all of this publicly, and daily. Ann Coulter is no better. Other party leaders are cut from similar cloth, though a little more fashionably. Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, Gingrich – all behave as if there is no value that can trump the pursuit of wealth and power.

Since these people are the party’s prominent leaders and voices, many Christians would feel deeply compromised to associate with or offer support to such a party. Jesus said, “I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” We do not find those things cultivated in us by Republican spokespersons.

homosexuality

This is one of the least-prominent issues in the Bible, but one of the most prominent among religious Republican activists. We must truly defend marriage in our own marriages. We must practice and promote healthy sexual attitudes and behavior in our churches. But surely those Christians are not evil who want our society to protect the economic and civil rights of fellow citizens – those not willing or able to live by our spiritual light. If we truly let him who is without sin cast the first stone, there would be far fewer stones cast in our land.

The very reasons for being a Republican Christian are also the reasons for worrying about the Republican party as it is currently functioning.

There is so much more and I wish I could post all of it. I highly recommend checking it out because it might change your perspective.

PublicChristian Why Many Christians Do Not Vote Republican

Perhaps you would do better to learn to think for yourself instead of being told what to think by others.

Let me enlighten you about OUR faith, since I too am a Catholic. We DO NOT support late term abortion - it is, to Catholics tantamount to murder. Assuming you voted for Obama, you voted for a man who supports late term abortion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Who is "WE" ? and don't we make allowances for those that don't see it the same way as "WE" do ? (from a morality perspective that is)

We" = Catholics. And no, 'WE' do not make allowances for people not seeing things our way. The stance of the Catholic Church is very clear - there is no room for doubt. If you are not Catholic, then frankly it is neither here nor there but I am curious how any Catholic can explain voting for Obama, or any other Democrat who supports late term abortion.