Anyone who sneers at pro-abortion/Nazi parallels should watch this:

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whack job

 

[Cecilie1200]

One upside to focusing on right and wrong, good and evil instead of "appearing moderate" as a main goal is that if you end up being wrong, at least it was in service of a cause that was worth something

I happen to believe that uniting Americans rather than dividing them is worth something.

I'm not saying I'm very good at the cause, because I tend to offend more people than you could probably ever know, but it is well worth the energy expenditure on the rare occasions that I actually do reach someone, and equally worth it when I learn something.

Depends on what you unite them behind. Myself, I left "let's all be nice and get along" behind in elementary school. I think there are times when the thinking adults of a healthy and moral nation SHOULD debate, argue, and disagree, because it indicates that their brains are still functioning and they're still looking for improvement. It also shows that they're still free enough to think for themselves and express those thoughts.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Good questions. I base the sentence on the fact that I'm talking about hardliners. So, it will be impossible for me not to talk about isolated whackjobs if I'm talking about hardliners, won't it? Additionally, why don't you ask me to do the same with pro-choicers? I would suspect that it's because you have no problem with my observations of pro-choicers.

In any case, I can use Rep. Todd Akins as one example. His claim that victims of "legitimate rape" don't get pregnant illustrates this hardline posture to which I am referring. While he may not speak for all pro-lifers, it still illustrates an "all costs" ideology that will protect any and all unborn human life with little to no regard for the living. I've seen and heard similar sentiments echoed frequently.

You are free to criticize my more moderate ways as wishy-washy, non-committal, cowardly, etc. I've heard it all. You're right, I do enjoy criticizing far lefties and far righties equally, and will continue to do so. I doesn't mean I don't recognize valid points by either when I see them.

My main question for you would be why, despite me essentially agreeing with the primary comparison, do you find it so important to take me to task?

Because it's that sort of wishy washiness that screws us over in the end, and allows fascists to step in and take control.

As they have.

Have it your way. I was only trying to encourage a dialogue. We were once a far more united nation, and to our benefit. The growing number of extremists in the U.S. is not a sign of good things, believe me.

We were once a far more united nation? Really? When was that? On what subject, precisely?

We are a nation whose political discourse has always been robust to the point of being alarming to "more civilized" countries. We are a nation which has had fistfights break out in both houses of our Congress, on more than one occasion. We are a nation which has gone to war with itself, not over disparate groups questing for power and control, but over morality and ideals. We may have once had a more universal idea of what constituted right and wrong, but that doesn't mean we've EVER agreed on how to accomplish it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The problem with this is that "eugenics" is not in the title of the thread. The Nazis were the government. Therefore, any programs they implemented were enforced. Now, if you can show that abortion is being imposed upon those who don't want an abortion, then you might have an argument for some kind of comparison. However, if "pro-abortion" actually translates to the right of the individual to obtain an abortion if they - not the government - so choose, then you have no argument at all.

Nice try at diversion, but not the point at all. Did the thread title say, "Look, our government is the same as the Nazis"? No. It said the attitudes and justifications of liberals are the same as the Nazis. The fact that they must use different methods to achieve the same end does not negate the end being the same.

Not a diversion at all. Unless you can demonstrate the imposition of abortion upon the individual then there is no comparison. Of course, I suspect imposing your views upon others is precisely where you are coming from, so there may be a comparison on your side. But certainly not upon those who would leave that decision up to the individual who has to live with it.

Unless you can demonstrate where the OP was talking about "imposition of abortion", then you're changing the subject. Of course, I suspect that was the point of your post.

Call me if you sack up and want to address the topic.

 

[koshergrl]

Like most progressives, he erects a strawman and tells himself that settles the discussion.

It doesn't. More than 60 percent of legal abortions are believed to involve some sort of coercion, and people right now, today, are arguing to make euthanasia legal. As it is in the Netherlands.

We are watching the pieces move into place for a holocaust that will make WWII look like a play date. Because it is going to happen across the entire world.

 

[PratchettFan]

Nice try at diversion, but not the point at all. Did the thread title say, "Look, our government is the same as the Nazis"? No. It said the attitudes and justifications of liberals are the same as the Nazis. The fact that they must use different methods to achieve the same end does not negate the end being the same.

Not a diversion at all. Unless you can demonstrate the imposition of abortion upon the individual then there is no comparison. Of course, I suspect imposing your views upon others is precisely where you are coming from, so there may be a comparison on your side. But certainly not upon those who would leave that decision up to the individual who has to live with it.

Unless you can demonstrate where the OP was talking about "imposition of abortion", then you're changing the subject. Of course, I suspect that was the point of your post.

Call me if you sack up and want to address the topic.

The subject is the comparison between the "pro-abortionists" and the nazis. I am discussing the comparison, or rather the lack thereof. Call me if you sack up and want to address my points rather than just pretend they don't matter.

 

[PratchettFan]

Like most progressives, he erects a strawman and tells himself that settles the discussion.

It doesn't. More than 60 percent of legal abortions are believed to involve some sort of coercion, and people right now, today, are arguing to make euthanasia legal. As it is in the Netherlands.

We are watching the pieces move into place for a holocaust that will make WWII look like a play date. Because it is going to happen across the entire world.

Uh huh. Well, I can see this is just going to get more and more silly. Here is the real issue, whether you have the honesty to accept it or not. If others have the freedom to make their own choices, you don't have the freedom to impose your own beliefs upon them. They have the audacity to act in a manner you do not approve of and that is simply unacceptable. Sometimes life sucks and if this little fantasy you have devised helps you deal with it, enjoy.

 

[koshergrl]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

 

[Koios]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

Is it freedom for government to say to a woman or young girl that they must carry the pregnancy to term, and that her womb is now the property of the state?

 

[Dot Com]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

Is it freedom for government to say to a woman or young girl that they must carry the pregnancy to term, and that her womb is now the property of the state?

I think thats what she means, Older, pasty, white men deciding what women can & can't do, just like the bible

 

[koshergrl]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

Is it freedom for government to say to a woman or young girl that they must carry the pregnancy to term, and that her womb is now the property of the state?

Is it freedom to legalize murder?

Jews didn't think so.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh look, the race card.

When all else fails.

 

[Koios]

Killing the unborn isn't freedom. It's a human rights violation and it represents a huge step away from individual liberty and the concept of human rights.

Just as euthanasia is.

Is it freedom for government to say to a woman or young girl that they must carry the pregnancy to term, and that her womb is now the property of the state?

Is it freedom to legalize murder?

Jews didn't think so.

Yes. I would be freer to kill people with impunity, and they me. But making what's growing inside the bodies of women, a protected right of privacy, as the Constitution requires, is not legalizing murder. It's protecting the privacy rights of women.

And neither did Germany legalize murder. They targeted and secretly killed a religious minority and other living beings, with something a fetus lacks: humanity. Everything that makes us who we are, which is us and not our flesh. Make any of us brain-dead, and what are we? Nothing but flesh and bone, which is what a fetus is, too.

 

[koshergrl]

That's exactly what the nazis said.

Life not worth living.

We're all just flesh and bone.

"
Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the "Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East."
On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. "In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible." Hitler also personally announced that he "would personally shoot" any "such idiot" who "tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories."

Hitler Pro-Abortion

 

[Koios]

That's exactly what the nazis said.

Life not worth living.

We're all just flesh and bone.

"
Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the "Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East."
On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. "In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible." Hitler also personally announced that he "would personally shoot" any "such idiot" who "tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories."

Hitler Pro-Abortion

Hardly. They thought their Aryan flesh and bone superior, and thus, during that time, lost a big part of their humanity.

 

[koshergrl]

And you think your more mature bone and flesh superior.

Here's another way the nazis and progressives are identical:

""National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches. "

Wow, sounds like every one of the progressive weirdos we have online right now...

Hitler's Persecution of the Christian Churches

 

[koshergrl]

What progressives would like everyone to ignore is that the egregious abuses of humanity inflicted by the nazis sprung directly from American progressive ideology.

 

[Koios]

And you think your more mature bone and flesh superior.

Here's another way the nazis and progressives are identical:

""National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches. "

Wow, sounds like every one of the progressive weirdos we have online right now...

Hitler's Persecution of the Christian Churches

Think what you wish if it works for you. Nothing like a comfortable delusion to keep us satisfied. Yeah, KG?

Astonishing.

 

[koshergrl]

There's nothing deluded about it. I hear the exact same crap out of the putrid pie holes of progressives day in and day out.

Not in this thread, because they know the similarities are glaring.

 

[Koios]

There's nothing deluded about it. I hear the exact same crap out of the putrid pie holes of progressives day in and day out.

Not in this thread, because they know the similarities are glaring.

Atta girl, KG. Thanks for heeding my advice.