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Jersey City police quelled violence and made eight arrests at Dickinson and Ferris high schools yesterday, just two days after a citywide police response was needed to suppress rioting among 350 to 500 Ferris students, officials said.
"It's like you are sending your kids to a war zone," the parent of a Dickinson sophomore said yesterday after seven students were arrested during a riot at the Palisade Avenue school around 12:30 p.m.
Police officers at Dickinson were in a first-floor classroom when they saw a large group of students "running and screaming throughout the hallway," police reports said.
An officer walked into the hallway and "observed hundreds of students fighting, screaming and encouraging the other students to join the melee," reports said.
No way Madeline. Our school has fights but nothing like that. Who would want that job at 45K? Therein lies one of the biggest obstacles to reform. The best and the brightest won't work there. And while wry has SOME good ideas, its not going to help those kids on Monday. The avg per pupil cost at these schools is around 20K. Twice the state avg. So money is not the answer. Same curriculum, same teacher credentials and other state requirements as the rest of NJ schools - many of which rank top in the nation.
NJ outlawed expulsion a few years ago. They need to bring it back before more kids are hurt. Or killed. Have any other states eliminated expulsion?
Oh yeah.
How the hell these teachers go into work in these educational hell holes every day, I surely do not know.
How the kids go to them every day, also a mystery to me.
No wonder the drop out rate is so high in these places.
Oh yeah.
How the hell these teachers go into work in these educational hell holes every day, I surely do not know.
How the kids go to them every day, also a mystery to me.
No wonder the drop out rate is so high in these places.
I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.
What a sorry situation it is.
And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?
Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.
Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
Oh yeah.
How the hell these teachers go into work in these educational hell holes every day, I surely do not know.
How the kids go to them every day, also a mystery to me.
No wonder the drop out rate is so high in these places.
I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.
What a sorry situation it is.
And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?
Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.
Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
When I was in HS, NY had a law that a person could stay in HS until they were 25 years old.....since we had a killer basketball team, many did. Not a good idea.
The sort of unrest we had was terrible, but it wasn't the kids' fault, really. What is happening now is just thuggery. Arrest the shits who break the law and pen them up in juvie.
That might help calm things down.
I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.
What a sorry situation it is.
And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?
Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.
Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
When I was in HS, NY had a law that a person could stay in HS until they were 25 years old.....since we had a killer basketball team, many did. Not a good idea.
The sort of unrest we had was terrible, but it wasn't the kids' fault, really. What is happening now is just thuggery. Arrest the shits who break the law and pen them up in juvie.
That might help calm things down.
It might. Cutting them off at 18 might help, too. If they really are interested in education, let them go to a junior college. 25 year olds in high school still playing basketball is just insane.
Jersey City police quelled violence and made eight arrests at Dickinson and Ferris high schools yesterday, just two days after a citywide police response was needed to suppress rioting among 350 to 500 Ferris students, officials said.
"It's like you are sending your kids to a war zone," the parent of a Dickinson sophomore said yesterday after seven students were arrested during a riot at the Palisade Avenue school around 12:30 p.m.
Police officers at Dickinson were in a first-floor classroom when they saw a large group of students "running and screaming throughout the hallway," police reports said.
An officer walked into the hallway and "observed hundreds of students fighting, screaming and encouraging the other students to join the melee," reports said.
Jersey City police called to Dickinson and Ferris high schools to deal with violence, make 8 arrests | NJ.com
They were probably protesting the lack of healthy choices in the lunch menu.
Who would want to work in a place like that? Honestly?
Oh yeah.
How the hell these teachers go into work in these educational hell holes every day, I surely do not know.
How the kids go to them every day, also a mystery to me.
No wonder the drop out rate is so high in these places.
I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.
What a sorry situation it is.
And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?
Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.
Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
When I was in HS, NY had a law that a person could stay in HS until they were 25 years old.....since we had a killer basketball team, many did. Not a good idea.
The sort of unrest we had was terrible, but it wasn't the kids' fault, really. What is happening now is just thuggery. Arrest the shits who break the law and pen them up in juvie.
That might help calm things down.
Actually, it's more like "I want that drug dealer with the Glock in his baggy jeans the f*ck out of my class!" promotions. When you repeatedly fail someone, he becomes your problem.yea well, becasue of 'social' stigma ( you know their self esteem is sooo important) they have whats called "social promotions" now.....
they won't keep a kid ion the same grade for more than 2 years. And even then , being left behind is still iffy, if the parent complains, the admin usually gives in....its basically a dysfunctional factory putting out a dicey product 40% of the time.
Actually, it's more like "I want that drug dealer with the Glock in his baggy jeans the f*ck out of my class!" promotions. When you repeatedly fail someone, he becomes your problem.yea well, becasue of 'social' stigma ( you know their self esteem is sooo important) they have whats called "social promotions" now.....
they won't keep a kid ion the same grade for more than 2 years. And even then , being left behind is still iffy, if the parent complains, the admin usually gives in....its basically a dysfunctional factory putting out a dicey product 40% of the time.
Jersey City police called to Dickinson and Ferris high schools to deal with violence, make 8 arrests | NJ.comJersey City police quelled violence and made eight arrests at Dickinson and Ferris high schools yesterday, just two days after a citywide police response was needed to suppress rioting among 350 to 500 Ferris students, officials said.
"It's like you are sending your kids to a war zone," the parent of a Dickinson sophomore said yesterday after seven students were arrested during a riot at the Palisade Avenue school around 12:30 p.m.
Police officers at Dickinson were in a first-floor classroom when they saw a large group of students "running and screaming throughout the hallway," police reports said.
An officer walked into the hallway and "observed hundreds of students fighting, screaming and encouraging the other students to join the melee," reports said.
They were probably protesting the lack of healthy choices in the lunch menu.
Who would want to work in a place like that? Honestly?
I remember seeing the cellphone vid of that poor 14 year old getting beat over the head with a large wooden board in Chicago several months ago. I was a bystander at a food riot an african capital ( Maputo') back in the day, remembering that and the vid, kids beating each in the street with objects, the poor kid in Chicago died.
Naturally he was one of the few advanced students and may hove gotten himself out of that shit hole.....I went to an inner new york city public school in a pretty tough hood, never, ever, was it anywhere close to that and what we see today.. its just unreal...
I am left wondering, whose congressional district do you think that falls in?
I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.
What a sorry situation it is.
And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?
Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.
Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
When I was in HS, NY had a law that a person could stay in HS until they were 25 years old.....since we had a killer basketball team, many did. Not a good idea.
The sort of unrest we had was terrible, but it wasn't the kids' fault, really. What is happening now is just thuggery. Arrest the shits who break the law and pen them up in juvie.
That might help calm things down.
yea well, becasue of 'social' stigma ( you know their self esteem is sooo important) they have whats called "social promotions" now.....
they won't keep a kid ion the same grade for more than 2 years. And even then , being left behind is still iffy, if the parent complains, the admin usually gives in....its basically a dysfunctional factory putting out a dicey product 40% of the time.
