Anyone want a job teaching?

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    Jersey City police called to Dickinson and Ferris high schools to deal with violence, make 8 arrests | NJ.com

    They were probably protesting the lack of healthy choices in the lunch menu. :evil:

    Who would want to work in a place like that? Honestly?
     
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    Oh yeah.

    How the hell these teachers go into work in these educational hell holes every day, I surely do not know.

    How the kids go to them every day, also a mystery to me.

    No wonder the drop out rate is so high in these places.
     
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    Yes editec. It is almost criminal that this is allowed to exist in America. School reform needs to start with safety. Higher order skills can never be achieved without it. Educational Psychology 101.

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    Wrong. The parents are assholes. It's murkin by design.:cuckoo:
     
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    Another problem in need of a solution, and little time and thought is put into a discussion on the causes and potential remedies.
    Pre-school for all kids, socialization being the primary goal.
    More resources focused on K-5 students; counseling, testing and behavior modification (positive reinforcement) when needed.
    More choices for 6th - 8th, not every kid learns the same way, nor do all kids have resources outside of school. Options for traditional classroom instruction as well as tactile classrooms where mobility is encouraged, not punshed.
    9th - 12th, both traditional classes, AP classes and occupational course available - all providing the necessary skills in reading and comprehension, computing, public speaking and writing to succeed in a college program.
    13th & 14th; Jr or community college with focus on completion of first years courses for undergraduate degree; or focus on science/math for undergrad degree; or work/study program wherein a student may apprentice in the field of choice, logging hours and earning college credit towards a professional/technical certificate.
    All free and tax payer funded - an educated and socialized society is in the best interest of all.
     
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    Good grief, chanel. I hope that you dun teach at those schools.
     
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    No way Madeline. Our school has fights but nothing like that. Who would want that job at 45K? Therein lies one of the biggest obstacles to reform. The best and the brightest won't work there. And while wry has SOME good ideas, its not going to help those kids on Monday. The avg per pupil cost at these schools is around 20K. Twice the state avg. So money is not the answer. Same curriculum, same teacher credentials and other state requirements as the rest of NJ schools - many of which rank top in the nation.

    NJ outlawed expulsion a few years ago. They need to bring it back before more kids are hurt. Or killed. Have any other states eliminated expulsion?
     
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    My brother and I went to Catholic school (St. Francis Xavier). I don't know how it is today but back in the 40s and 50s discipline was a priority. The Franciscan brothers and Carmelite nuns would smack the shit out of us for the slightest infraction. Our most important concern of the day was avoiding their attention. We wore uniforms, walked in twos, no talking in class and silence in the corridors.

    There were tests every Friday, summer school for anyone whose marks fell short, and after-school periods 'til 6 PM both as punishment and subject make-ups.

    Bottom line is St. Francis grade school and academy (high school) consistently held first place in national scholastic ratings and St. Francis grads were invited to the most prestigious universities.
     
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    This was life in my HS, chanel. I was a white chick in a predominately black HS the day after the busing decision came down. People went i-n-s-an-e. I never felt safe, and for good reason, We had riots inside, outside, and around town.

    I dun know what the school was like before that decision, but after? There was fuck all learning going on....I dun know how in the hell I passed my Regent's. 50% of my teachers were subs I had never seen before.

    Takes an angel to care in those conditions, but there were some.
     
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    I don't know. The teachers have an option of starting another career, or of hanging on until a position in a decent school becomes available. The kids have no option but to hang in there for four years, or join the losers who drop out.

    What a sorry situation it is.

    And the students who are causing the problems in the first place rule. They know that no one can effectively discipline them. What is the administration going to do? Suspend them, so they have a few days to party? Give them a good tongue lashing for them to laugh at? What?

    Each individual school has to have the right to set standards of achievement and behavior. Students who can't keep their grades up and stay out of trouble can go find a school with lower standards. Those who can do so will actually have a chance for an education. Teachers will be able to teach, and those who still can't need to be invited to find another job.

    Schools can be reformed. The "solutions" the government is promoting isn't going to help.
     

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