Discussion in 'Politics' started by Quantum Windbag, Feb 9, 2012.
Or have you all given up on that lie?
No. they are just ignoring it.
If you study all the facts, it is going to save money over time. The right has put out so much misinformation I'm willing to bet you are repeating lies that the right told you about Obamacare.
And if you want to go back to the drawing board and give us what we really wanted, which was single payer nationalized universal healthcare, then we are more than willing to take you up on that.
But instead the right and the healthcare lobbyists obstructed that and they ended up writing the bill. Just like they wrote Romneycare.
It solves some problems, but isn't good enough.
And don't complain about rising healthcare costs now. Its why we passed healthcare reform in the first place. You defended the healthcare giants. You said in a free market they could charge whatever they wanted. So what 10 million people now can't afford insurance. Or were denied because of pre existing conditions.
Now you want to blame Obamacare for the rising costs? What a hoot. The costs went up 200% under Bush and you said NOTHING!
I thought you guys would be happy that Obamacare is good for the healtcare giants. They love the mandate. It will make them richer than ever.
Tell me, if it's going to save us costs, why did Obama delay implimentation until after the 2012 election?
Let's just think about it rationally for a second. If it's going to save us costs, then wouldnt he want it implimented before the election to guarantee his reelection?
If costs are saved, wouldnt it be far more likely that people will vote for him? yes or no?
Then why delay it? Unless of course, you know people arent going to like it.
You couldn't impliment everything immediately. I recall them saying something about "giving the insurance companies time..."
And meanwhile, the insurance companies have jacked up the costs big time until Obamacare kicks in.
Maybe then we shouldn't have let the insurance companies have a seat at the table when writing the bill. And Republicans protecting them every step of the way.
Remember single payer was what we wanted and they didn't get a seat at the table.
I never said it in the first place.
I got a sucker.
Tell me something, how is requiring all insurance to cover contraceptive methods and counseling, well women visits, gestational diabetes screening, STD counseling, HOV testing, HIV testing and screening, breastfeeding support, and screening and counseling for intrapersonal and domestic violence counseling going to save money? Insurance is supposed to cover unexpected expenses, not routine ones. Covering routine ones drives up the costs for everyone.
I would also point out that what I am talking about is what Obama just put into it, not the rest of the stuff he put in before.
I see you have the talking points down.
New analysis shows that health care spending in the U.S. in 2011 grew at one of the slowest rates in 50 years according to the February Health Sector Economic Indicators briefs released today by Altarum Institute’s Center for Sustainable Health Spending.
Altarum’s reports provide the first look at full-year 2011, showing health spending at $2.71 trillion. Spending was up 4.4 percent from 2010—the third slowest rate of growth since national health expenditures have been tracked.
2011 Health Spending Growth Remains Near Historic Lows | EON: Enhanced Online News
Going up is not the same as going down.
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